Wisconsin ‘Government Accountability Board’ Shuts Down Recall Election Exit Polling

Says nonpartisan polling 'electioneering' because candidates' names appear on exit poll 'ballot'

UPDATED TWICE: G.A.B. responds, then corrects original response...

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Guest blogged by Emily Levy

Two national election integrity organizations jointly conducted exit polling at a pair of poll sites yesterday, during round one of Wisconsin’s recall elections. Election Defense Alliance (EDA) and Protect California Ballots teamed up with local activists to poll voters as they exited from voting in now-infamous Waukesha County, with the goal of checking the accuracy of the official election results.

According to a press release (see below) issued yesterday by EDA, despite local volunteer pollsters being equipped with copies of regulations from Wisconsin’s Government Accountability Board (G.A.B.), the state’s top election authority, and a letter from the agency’s Executive Director outlining permission for exit polling, the rules were apparently changed during the day and pollsters forbidden to hand out the exit polling ‘ballot’ voters were asked to complete anonymously.

EDA National Chairperson Sally Castleman told The BRAD BLOG, “The numerous red flags that came to light in the Wisconsin Supreme Court election this spring alerted many Wisconsinites to the need for citizen oversight in their elections. With official vote counts being conducted secretly inside computers, exit polling is one of the very, very few mechanisms left to the public for assessing the legitimacy of official outcomes.” Castleman added, “We need to see this level of public participation all over the nation in order to halt the privatization of our elections.”

Full text of press release:

GAB Shutting Down Non-Partisan Exit Polls in Wisconsin

The Wisconsin Government Accounting Board (GAB), apparently changing their regulations as they go along, has effectively shut down citizen-run exit polls in today’s Democratic Primary Recall Election in Wisconsin.

Despite having the GAB Regulations (§§5.35 (5), 7.37 (2) ) in hand plus a letter from Kevin Kennedy, head of the GAB, both clearly allowing exit polling, the GAB today through GAB member David Buerger, has said that the group is “electioneering” because candidates names appear on the polling “ballot.” He further dictated that no voter would be allowed to touch an exit poll ballot, that pollsters can only verbally ask the voters their responses. This despite the fact that Edison-Mitofsky, the polling company commissioned by the Media Consortium to conduct Exit Polling nationally over the last many years, uses written polling ballots that the voters fill in themselves.

The polls were being run by concerned Wisconsin citizens volunteering under the guidance of Election Defense Alliance and Protect California Ballots, two non-partisan organizations with the mission of restoring transparency to our elections. Both organizations have run non-partisan exit polls many times in the past in close to a dozen states. Neither group has ever been harassed in such a way before.

“This is reasoning beyond specious”, said Jonathan Simon, Director of Election Defense Alliance. “Exit polling in this country has been going on for decades. To call it ‘electioneering’ simply because candidates names appear on the poll ballot, when all names appear without any advocacy involved, is absurd. This is concealment in OUR elections. Public participation is being forbidden!”

“If exit polling has now conveniently been relabeled as ‘electioneering’ this spells the end of exit polling in America and one of the last few mechanisms for evaluating the legitimacy of official vote counts,” added Sally Castleman, National Chairperson of Election Defense Alliance.

“The implications for upcoming primary and general recall elections are of the utmost importance” said Simon. “This encroachment on the public right of observation and participation must be challenged forcefully and immediately.”

“The irony of ‘Government Accountability’ is beyond belief,” Simon added.

Despite the fact that the law says a photo ID is requested but not required for this election, reports have been received from Glendale that voters are not being allowed to vote without photo ID.

In another related story, robo-calls, reportedly coming from Virginia, are being made to Democrats throughout the primary districts today telling them not to vote today because an absentee ballot is in the mail.

See Eric Kleefeld’s coverage at TalkingPointsMemo for background on the WI recall elections and the announced outcome of yesterday’s Democratic primary recall elections. Round two of the recalls will be held next Tuesday, July 19, when two more primaries and one general recall election (two Republican primaries, and one Democratic state Senator facing a recall) will be held.

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UPDATE 7/15/11: Reid Magney, spokesperson for Wisconsin’s G.A.B., wanted to offer the board’s point of view on their ruling which effectively shut down the EDA’s exit polling by forcing pollsters to move outside of the 100 ft. zone around the polling place, as the group noted in their press release posted above. His response follows in full below, along with EDA’s response to Magney’s remarks…

Hi Emily,

Thanks for getting back to me.

The Government Accountability Board has not changed its rules on exit polling. We are simply enforcing the states laws against electioneering.

The citizens group asked us about exit polling, and we told them it was permitted. What they didn’t tell us is how they were going to do their exit polls. From the reports we received, the citizen exit pollsters were handing out papers explaining the exit poll to voters on their way into the polling place. That is not something regular exit pollsters do. We do not permit anyone to give documents to voters on their way in within 100 feet of the polling place entrance.

From the reports we received, after the voters left the polling places, the citizen exit pollsters were handing an exit poll document to the voters. This document looked like a ballot, and contained the names of candidates. Again, this was happening within 100 feet of the polling place entrance. No one is permitted to distribute any literature within 100 feet that contains the names of any candidate on the ballot that day. That is electioneering, and could be confusing to voters. Regular exit pollsters conduct their business by interviewing voters and recording the answers themselves.

When we received complaints about this activity, we contacted the municipal clerks, who contacted the chief election inspectors at the polling places. We also understand that someone, not us, contacted the police in one of the villages. We also contacted the citizens group and told them they could not distribute materials within 100 feet of the polling place entrance. We did not tell them they could not conduct exit polls. If they wanted to hand out exit poll documents, they had to do so outside the 100-foot area. It was our understanding that the group decided to interview voters, or possibly show them the exit poll document on a clipboard, without giving them the document.

The citizen exit poll group has argued that they were not electioneering because they’re not trying to influence voters, just conduct a survey. Unfortunately, the way they tried to conduct the exit poll could be misunderstood by a voter as an attempt to influence them, or to intimidate them. The polling place and the 100-foot zone around the entrance are to be free of any activity that could impede or intimidate or influence voters.

Let me add that Wisconsin has a long tradition of openness and transparency in its elections. Citizens are allowed and encouraged to serve as election observers. They can observe the public test of voting equipment prior to the election. They can observe inside the polling place. They can be present after the polls close when the voting equipment is opened and the vote totals are announced. They can view the tape from the machine. They can observe the canvass process.

We understand that some citizens are skeptical about electronic voting equipment. We recently had a recount in the state Supreme Court election. Because there were not enough extra memory devices for some of the older optical scan equipment (Optech Eagle), many of the ballots in 31 of the state’s 72 counties that were originally counted by machine were recounted by hand. The differences between the machine count and the hand recount were extremely close, and differences were usually due to other reasons, such as absentee ballots being disallowed because they were improperly witnessed. The results of this real-world test should give voters confidence in the integrity of elections in Wisconsin.

Please let me know if you have other questions,

Reid
————
Reid Magney, public information officer
Wisconsin Government Accountability Board

EDA’s Castleman confirmed that, indeed, one of the exit polling sites had copied the polling “ballot” onto the back side of something they were giving voters on the way into the poll, though, she says, other than the “ballot” containing the names of all candidates on the back, there were no candidate names on the front of the sheet.

That did not occur at any other exit polling site, though those pollsters were also required to move outside of the 100 ft. zone around the polling place where exit pollsters are otherwise usually allowed to conduct their polling.

Moreover, Castleman points out, Magney is wrong in his contention that “Regular exit pollsters conduct their business by interviewing voters and recording the answers themselves.” While some exit polling is done via interviews of that sort, she says, others are also done similarly to EDA’s where voters fill out “ballots” and deposit them secretly into a “ballot box” to help maintain the privacy and integrity of their responses.

[See new update below, as Magney has now conceded he was wrong in his contention concerning written exit polls.]

As to Magney’s closing remarks concerning the recent WI Supreme Court election “recount”, The BRAD BLOG covered the massive irregularities discovered across the state, most notably in Waukesha County where supposedly secure bags of ballots were discovered to have been “wide open”, ripped and duct taped and with missing or changed security seal numbers in many cases, in violation of the secure chain of custody. Also, computer printed poll tapes from e-voting machines were found to have been dated several days prior to the election, or otherwise blank.

During the course of that “recount” — coming after an unofficial 204 vote margin on Election Night — well more than 2000 votes were found to have miscounted originally. That, with hand-counts performed, as Magney notes, in just 31 of the state’s 72 counties during the “recount”.

UPDATE 7/16/11: After being told that Magney was wrong in his contention that “Regular exit pollsters conduct their business by interviewing voters and recording the answers themselves,” he wrote back to say:

Hi Emily,

I think they’re done both ways. We’ve just recently received some information about exit polls being done in writing, so I’m feeling a bit unsure of what I wrote earlier, so you might leave that out. We’re going to be talking with EDA soon to discuss future polls so we’re all on the same page.

Thanks,

Reid
————
Reid Magney, public information officer
Wisconsin Government Accountability Board

In fact, The BRAD BLOG has confirmed that EDA has been in discussions with the G.A.B., and seem to have worked things out to allow for exit polls in this Tuesday’s upcoming recall election (two Republican recall election primaries, and one actual recall election for one Democratic state Senator). We may have more details on that here soon.

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  1. 2)
    betterthannosn said on 7/13/2011 @ 12:12pm PT: [Permalink]

    Will these people never cease in trying to subvert elections?
    As far as exit polling, even if they are conducted, there is no guarantee that it will carry any weight. Just take Ohio 2004, a 5% point swing in exit polling and the MSM throws out the results as utterly meaningless. It does give us a post-mortem leg to stand on to argue election fraud, but the sheeple don’t seem to be interested.

  2. 3)
    mick said on 7/13/2011 @ 12:36pm PT: [Permalink]

    Exit polls only count in the Ukraine because they are a democracy .And the irony is it was American pressure based on the exit polls that brought about a new election.
    Remember the anti-war candidate in the last US Presidential election ?
    Well he actually won ,how did that turn out for you ?

  3. 4)
    Jeannie Dean said on 7/13/2011 @ 1:42pm PT: [Permalink]

    Great summation, Emily! Thank you so much for posting this so quickly! Yah, that was one of the strangest things to come out of yesterday’s WI RECALL Primaries. And fyi, all – that’s District 8 – in WAUKESHA CO, where the devious Alberta Darling is being challenged in the August election. She is HATED by our WI friends…

    I will circulate this piece to the best of my limited ability (posted to both FB EI page and Wi Citizens for Election Protection).

    And while I’m honking on, I really want to post a ginormous THANK YOU to the WCEP and ALL the folks on both FB pages / all the groups on-line helping to monitor the Primary elections, yesterday. It. Was. Some sight to behold.

    From 30,00 feet, it was an inspiring citizen election protection ballet; or…from aerial perspective more like a Busby Berkeley number, without all the feather distractions.

    I finally slept sound last night for the first time in months, btw. Yesterday was the first election I’ve watched in years that I didn’t feel was being openly swiped, with me miles away feeling helpless; the first time I’ve felt good about elections in this country in over a decade. THANK YOU SO MUCH, WI, for that gift…

    Priceless. Invaluable. Faith in People. Hope in our Future. Hope that enough of us watching can change the outcome of the (potentiallly) stolen elections ahead. I know we haven’t “fixed” it, but oh! Yesterday was a GREAT start!”

  4. 5)
    Jeannie Dean said on 7/13/2011 @ 1:45pm PT: [Permalink]

    (Oh, and thank you Brad! Hope you’re in fact somewhere *not* reading this, far away in the distant greenery of some remote mountain-y place…with plenty of cigarettes to make it a grand, relaxing time. xoxo!)

  5. 7)
    Raven said on 7/14/2011 @ 9:55am PT: [Permalink]

    Jeannie Dean: “[T]he devious Alberta Darling… is HATED by our WI friends…”

    No, no, please, the right wing already keeps accusing us of being the haters. Don’t fall into that wording and hand them cites.

    “Hate” suggests wishing to do physical harm to someone. I don’t think WI voters feel that way about Alberta Darling. Not at all.

    We may despise her, detest her, revile her, and recoil from her, but that’s because of her hateful behavior in office, and we’d be happy merely to see her gone from it — into a long and peaceful private life.

    There’s all the difference in the world, you see?

  6. 8)
    Jeannie Dean said on 7/14/2011 @ 11:09am PT: [Permalink]

    Ha! Yes, you’re right, Raven. Important distinction. I should have chosen my words more carefully. Thank you for pointing me to the light!

    …and Congratulations on getting one step closer to that goal, seeing Darling GONE from her post, peacefully, through one man = one vote. We are SO proud of you guys, wanna buy the whole state a brat and a (local) brew!

  7. 9)
    Chris Hooten said on 7/14/2011 @ 7:56pm PT: [Permalink]

    How in the world do they do this shit without it ending up in the papers? There is only one reason to stop exit polling.

  8. 10)
    Raven said on 7/14/2011 @ 8:03pm PT: [Permalink]

    Chris: … because of the well-known inaccuracy of exit polls (where people hand-mark physical paper ballots that can be rechecked), compared to the official count on our infallllllllllllll+7000ible (untraceable, unauditable, trade-secreted) computers?

  9. 11)
    mick said on 7/15/2011 @ 2:20am PT: [Permalink]

    VOTE FRAUD AND THE BANKRUPTCY OF THE UNITED STATES

    Michael Rivero

    http://whatreallyhappened.com/W...CLE3/index.php

    In recent months, I have posted a series of article on the deplorable and quite frankly hopeless financial situation the government of the United States is presently in due to reckless and outright irresponsible fiscal policy.

  10. 12)
    Brad Friedman said on 7/15/2011 @ 8:01am PT: [Permalink]

    Mick – Wow. That article presents an amazing amount of inaccuracies, errors and, in a number of instances, outright horseshit.

    You’d think someone writing, even cursorily, about the accuracy of voting machines would bother to be accurate, at least sorta, in their reporting. Or someone writing about “vote fraud” would make sure their article wasn’t full of fraudulent “facts”. If you’d think that, however, you’d be wrong, as that horrible article demonstrates. What a pity.

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    monkeybreath said on 7/15/2011 @ 5:01pm PT: [Permalink]

    what are the chances the places where they found the violation-they were done by republican plants on purpose

  12. 14)
    charley said on 7/15/2011 @ 6:28pm PT: [Permalink]

    Mick-
    The guy who runs Media Matters was the guy who wrote the Bill Clinton hit pieces bribing officers to lie about rape and murder.

    All lies. Be care ful who you get your facts from.

    Big business in the US has always used racism and scapegoating to keep the white Americans scared (see Civil War and slavery).

    The biggest of all is the Military Industrial Complex given the name by conservative president Eisenhower in the 1950s. These companies Hali-burton/KBR/BP(own 80% of our military oil contracts)/all oil companies/George HW Bush’s The Carlyle Group.

    All of these companies have to create Fox News to keep ever lasting war. 60% of our tax money goes to defense so these men are stealing from your children.

    Because of the money involved they will steal votes or bribe or kill anyone who gets in their way.

    See Rupert Murdoch in both England and the US. He forced Tony Blair by bribery and beating the war drum to go to war with Bush. BP made tons off the war in the US and England.

    We are in a huge hole because of 2 10 year wars and Bush lowered taxes.

    I do agree that the US is doomed finacially because conservatives will steal elections until we are broke.

    We will have to go French Revolution on these thieves at some point.

  13. 16)
    Raven said on 7/15/2011 @ 6:32pm PT: [Permalink]

    Monkeybreath: Or by well-meaning volunteers who had never done exit polling before, and didn’t understand (or didn’t remember) rules like the 100-foot limit, and the bit about “exit” polling taking place as people exit the voting area, not as they enter….

    “Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by…” um, naivete?

  14. 17)
    mick said on 7/15/2011 @ 10:18pm PT: [Permalink]

    re #12 ,any actual examples of the “amazing amount of inaccuracies, errors and, in a number of instances, outright horseshit.” ?

  15. 18)
    Jeannie Dean said on 7/16/2011 @ 2:29am PT: [Permalink]

    Raven – Um. No. the WI residents doing the polling were being guided by EDA – that’s election defense alliance (www.electiondefensealliance.com). They are well versed election exit polling specialists with a history of such efforts.

    The GAB had granted the volunteers permission on ALL COUNTS, everything had been cleared for their “exit polling” beforehand via a letter / can furnish it for you, if you’d like to see it, confirming 10 feet was fine as long as promotional materials were not being handed out for any candidate.

    …then the Police were called in and the GAB changed their position (only in Menominee Falls, btw, the OTHER Waukesha Co. in District 8, Butler Village, had no problems conducting their exit polls per the same stipulations as had been outlined by the group in Menominee Falls)…

    The GAB’s explanation for this was that the group in Menominee Falls were now “ELECTIONEERING”, a distinction the GAB had made clear in their original letter, now conflated – because the group had an exit poll with the candidates NAMES on them…

    …that is how exit polling is traditionally done.
    The general rule is that ALL the candidates on the ballot must be listed, as the Volunteers on the ground had seen to.

  16. 19)
    Jeannie Dean said on 7/16/2011 @ 2:33am PT: [Permalink]

    …video of GAB’s explanation on record from WI volunteer who called for clarification from the GAB’s Mike Haas. Haas hangs up when confronted with this inherent contradiction in his own policy:

    http://www.youtube.com/user/jea.../2/Ja3I5LKWHQU

    …hm. The video seems to have been temporarily disabled, but instead now freezes on the GAB statement re: EXIT POLLING RULES.

    (Correction to my above post: EDA is http://www.electiondefensealliance.org – my bad.)

  17. 21)
    Brad Friedman said on 7/16/2011 @ 11:31am PT: [Permalink]

    Mick asked @ 17:

    any actual examples of the “amazing amount of inaccuracies, errors and, in a number of instances, outright horseshit.” ?

    Sure. Here’s just a few…

    Since 1964, right after John F. Kennedy was assassinated, vote tabulation for national elections has been handled not by the government, but by a private company lacking any official oversight at all. This company, which changes its name on a regular basis, is currently called “Voters News Service”.

    The above is, of course, complete and utter nonsense. VNS does not now nor has it ever handled “vote tabulation for national elections”.

    This is the voting process most in use in America today. A voter punches a card in the voting booth. That card is run through a computer at the local voting center, then that computer contacts computers at Voters News Service

    Now there is no date stamp on the article you linked to, so I don’t have any idea when it was written. Since it refers to “voter punches a card in the voting booth” above, that means it’s a really old article (since punch cards are no more), or it’s just flat out wrong. The article seems to pull a lot of stuff from the Collier brothers Votescam book from the 80s, so I don’t know if the article was written long ago, or is just pulling stuff now from that book even though much of the info would be outdated by now.

    All the voting machines used in the United States come from just three companies. The Presidents of two of them have been convicted of vote fraud and yet all state governments continue to do business (at very steep fees) with just these three companies.

    There are more than “just three companies” that supply voting machines in the U.S., though until a year or so ago, it could be said that most of the machines come from 3 companies (even though that would be inaccurate also, as there were, largely, 4 large voting machines companies, and a number of much smaller ones). That all has changed in the last year with the sales/purchases of both Sequoia and Diebold, but in any case, the statement that “all the voting machines used in the U.S. come from just three companies” was, to my knowledge, never actually true — at least not in the last decade or two.

    Moreover, I’m aware of none of the companies’ “Presidents….hav[ing] been convicted of vote fraud”.

    I’m still on the road, so working quickly here. But as you asked for examples, that is just a very few of them. There are many more such inaccuracies in the article, as I originally mentioned. But hopefully that gives you a quick idea and may help you to be more skeptical about articles you come across on the Internets.

  18. 22)
    mick said on 7/16/2011 @ 3:32pm PT: [Permalink]

    Thanks for your reply ,I’ll forward it to the writer and see if he has a response .

  19. 23)
    Barb Truitt said on 7/16/2011 @ 8:41pm PT: [Permalink]

    From Jeannie Dean’s post – “then the Police were called in and the GAB changed their position (only in Menominee Falls, btw, the OTHER Waukesha Co. in District 8, Butler Village, had no problems conducting their exit polls per the same stipulations as had been outlined by the group in Menominee Falls)…

    The GAB’s explanation for this was that the group in Menominee Falls were now “ELECTIONEERING”, a distinction the GAB had made clear in their original letter, now conflated – because the group had an exit poll with the candidates NAMES on them…”

    Jeannie? The group in Butler also had issues with their attempts to poll voters. They were moved several times, and the poll workers and the police chief informed them they had to be at least 100 feet from the entrance doors because, as described about Menomonee Falls, they were considered to be “electioneering.”
    I think there was a lot of suspicion about the whole process to begin with, but by the end of the day everyone was more cordial. This was the first time out for most of the people involved, so even though they had permission from the GAB to do what they tried to do, they weren’t sure of their position. As it turned out, they moved their table and materials to the parking lot, which was outside the 100 feet, and did what they could from there. Their totals were very close, in spite of the fact they couldn’t catch everyone from the 100 foot range.
    The “real” elections in August should go a lot smoother, and hopefully mainstream media will provide information about this process to everyone ahead of the first election on August 9 so voters and poll workers will know what to expect.

  20. 24)
    Chris Hooten said on 7/16/2011 @ 10:41pm PT: [Permalink]

    Exit polling has historically been EXTREMELY accurate, Raven. Only recently has it mysteriously wavered, and there is no reason to lose confidence in it because of that. One would be much wiser to assume there were problems with the election results themselves. Since when have we considered them inaccurate, and why? And is that sufficient to ignore the years of near perfect exit poll results? Why can’t we post results on a precinct basis? With the Pentagon and everyone else hacked lately, why would you trust computerized vote counting?

  21. 25)
    Chris Hooten said on 7/16/2011 @ 10:44pm PT: [Permalink]

    The point is, we don’t NEED to trust. We need to not trust, and need multiple methods of verifying the vote, and frankly, we need to use paper ballots, and hand count the results, posting them on the precinct level, and then adding them together.

  22. 29)
    Chris Hooten said on 7/17/2011 @ 2:56pm PT: [Permalink]

    Psst, I’m pretty sure no one could possibly have been confused about that not being a typo, unless they came from the the capital of crazytown itself, P.atter.ico .com

  23. 30)
    Karen Renick said on 7/17/2011 @ 8:52pm PT: [Permalink]

    It’s a sad state of affairs when those in positions to supposedly uphold “accountability” don’t even understand what real openness and transparency in elections truly are as evidenced by Reid Magney’s statement [my comments in brackets]:

    “Let me add that Wisconsin has a long tradition of openness and transparency in its elections. Citizens are allowed and encouraged to serve as election observers. They can observe the public test of voting equipment prior to the election. [These tests are basically a sham and prove only that the machines work in “Test Mode”, not “Election Mode”.] They can observe inside the polling place. [Yes, but they can observe nothing to do with the actual vote counting process.] They can be present after the polls close when the voting equipment is opened and the vote totals are announced. [Yes, but this is after the votes have all been counted secretly inside the machines.] They can view the tape from the machine. [Whoopee! Ditto my previous remark.] They can observe the canvass process. [What good is this if they are canvassing secretly counted vote totals?]”

    Even sadder is the fact that the general public doesn’t get it either.

    Keep up the great effort up there in WI, y’all! VoteRescue is with you guys in spirit!

  24. 31)
    Raven said on 7/17/2011 @ 10:40pm PT: [Permalink]

    Chris Hooten #24: I thought my spelling of “infallible” (with the embedded “+7000” in tribute to Wakesha County) in comment #10 was a dead giveaway of snark.

  25. 32)
    Raven said on 7/17/2011 @ 10:55pm PT: [Permalink]

    Jeannie Dean #18: The GAB had waived the 100-foot limit down to 10 feet, and then reneged? Not nice.

    But how about the other complaint, handing people materials on their way *into* the voting area? That would legitimately trigger concerns about “electioneering” (before the GAB could study the actual materials closely), whereas materials handed out as people *leave* the voting area can’t affect how they vote.

  26. 33)
    Dredd said on 7/18/2011 @ 5:37am PT: [Permalink]

    Raven said:

    But how about the other complaint, handing people materials on their way *into* the voting area? That would legitimately trigger concerns about “electioneering” (before the GAB could study the actual materials closely), whereas materials handed out as people *leave* the voting area can’t affect how they vote.

    (#32).

    That is a good point.

    Exit polling people have no business talking to anyone except those exiting the polling place who willingly want to talk to them about their vote and why they voted as they did.

  27. 34)
    colinjames said on 7/21/2011 @ 7:03pm PT: [Permalink]

    Well, at least he responded to the email, admitted he was wrong, and so far seems to have come to an arrangement for the next election. That’s more than you get from most of the jackals covered by BradBlog over the years. The part about Wisconsin’s glowing election record or whatever, that’s the typical boilerplate response you’ll get from any office or legislator.

    The venomous repsonses seem a little bit disproportionate on this one. That said, if they pull some shady move on the next election I’m right there with ya.

  28. 36)
    Jeannie Dean said on 7/24/2011 @ 1:14pm PT: [Permalink]

    Raven / Dredd ~

    Sorry it took me awhile to respond / didn’t see your comments here until just now.

    I’m not sure, to be honest, if voters were approached on the way IN to the polling place in Menominee Falls by the citizen exit pollsters. I would *think* not, considering EDA’s (Jonathan Simon’s / Sally Castleman’s) years and years of experience doing exit polls in other states…

    If they were, it may have been just to let voters know why they were there. If they were suddenly asked to move to the 100ft location (for “electioneering”) as opposed to the previously approved 10ft rule (“for exit polling”) the exit pollsters may have had limited access to voters coming and going…might have approached them before hand to let them know about the exit poll happening 100ft away.

    Consider also that the clerk / GAB said voters had “complained” about the exit pollsters’ presence, but we found that confusing as the WI volunteers were reporting that voters there were generally friendly and open to their efforts.

    I will ask my friends who are heading up the volunteer efforts in WI about this just to clarify, but either way – the GAB switched horses mid-stream (mixing my metaphors?) and back-tracked on their previously outlined rules for exit polling.

    Perhaps the GAB makes a distinction between citizen exit pollsters and press exit pollsters and therefore were caught offguard by the effort (in spite of the letter of approval) but even so – the idea that exit polls have to be verbal and can not be recorded on paper without “confusing” the voter, or engaging in “electioneering” is patently absurd on it’s face.

    I participated in citizen exit polling in Sarasota FL in 2008. And you guys, EVEN IN FLORIDA we were allowed to conduct these polls RIGHT OUTSIDE the polling place (10ft rule), as long as we were not seen as “interfering” with the voting process. We were allowed to hand out written materials for the voter to fill out with the names of the candidates on the ballots. While it was a bit tenuous at the beginning of the day, we had fewer problems in FLORIDA than they did in WI…

    …that in and of itself is telling.

    Exit polling is officially a dead art.
    Like Petroglyphs…and listening.

  29. 37)
    Jeannie Dean said on 7/24/2011 @ 1:34pm PT: [Permalink]

    Also worth noting, as Brad has covered in past article but I can’t find the link right now – the GAB previously singled out EDA in a letter from their legal department advising WI clerks that they don’t have to respond to “information requests” from out-of-state groups…

    This, in addition to having Sally and Jonathan fill out (and pay for) FOIA requests WARD by WARD (a first, as I understand it) and then denying them the certain requested documents that are supposed to be public record – no matter WHO is asking for them or WHERE they happen to be geographically located.

    So, the GAB has a pattern now of giving EDA (and the WI citizen volunteers working under their guidance) the run-around re: the time-tested methodology historically used for election observation and monitoring.

    …hardly transparent. Hardly WISCONSIN.

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    Richard Lake said on 7/26/2011 @ 2:21pm PT: [Permalink]

    We have seen all kinds of shenanigans in the Michigan recall efforts, to include a county trying to force recall petitioners into a 3 by 3 foot “free speech zone” in a county park. Thankfully the ACLU acted quickly to defend our Constitutional right to petition on any public lands!

    The Following 19 Politician Are Facing Recall:

    Governor Rick Snyder (R)

    http://firericksnyder.org/

    http://firericksnyder.org/userp

    Michigan Senate Majority Leader Randy Richardville (R – Monroe)

    http://firericksnyder.org/news-...s/richardville

    State Senator Darwin Booher (R – Evart)

    http://firericksnyder.org/news-...rogress/bolger

    State Senator Judy Emmons (R – Sheridan)

    State Senator Mike Green (R – Mayville)

    State Senator Mark Jansen (R – Gaines Township)

    State Senator Jim Marleau (R – Lake Orion)

    State Senator Mike Nofs (R – Battle Creek)

    State Senator John Proos (R – St. Joseph)

    State Senator Roger Kahn (R – Saginaw Township)

    State Senator John Pappageorge (R -Troy)

    Michigan House Speaker Jase Bolger (R – Marshall)

    State Representative Kurt Damrow (R – Port Austin)

    http://firericksnyder.org/news-...rogress/damrow

    State Representative Nancy Jenkins (R – Clayton)

    http://firericksnyder.org/news-.../nancy-jenkins

    State Representative Joel Johnson (R – Clare)

    http://firericksnyder.org/news-...ogress/johnson

    State Representative Phil Potvin (R – Cadillac)

    State Representative Al Pscholka (R – Stevensville)

    State Representative Paul Scott (R – Grand Blanc)

    http://firericksnyder.org/news-...ess/paul-scott

    State Representative Kevin Cotter (R – Mt. Pleasant)

    A petition is circulating also to REPEAL PUBLIC ACT 4 of 2011, “The Local Government and School District Fiscal Accountability Act”.

    http://action.afscme.org/c/346/...p_page_KEY=773

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