Live blogging coverage of the Sibel Edmonds deposition at the National Whistleblowers Center in Washington D.C. For background see previous coverage:
- 8/5/09: Sibel Edmonds Subpoenaed, Set to ‘Break’ Gag Order
- 8/7/09: EXCLUSIVE: FBI Attempts to Block Edmonds Testimony in OH Election Case
- 8/7/09: EXCLUSIVE UPDATE: DoJ Pressures Ohio Election Commission to Block Edmonds Testimony
[Updates at bottom…]
8:00am PT (11:00am ET): The deposition has now begun inside the National Whisteblowers Center, and has not, apparently, been blocked by an assertion of the “state secrets” privilege by the DoJ.
The BRAD BLOG has some folks covering outside the testimony this morning, and I just spoke to some of the folks on the ground outside the NWC, just before the deposition was set to begin, including David Krikorian, who flew in last night from Ohio.
Krikorian said that he hadn’t yet seen anybody from the DoJ there, and both he and Edmonds confirmed that there hadn’t been any new action (that they knew about) since the late-night legal back and forth between the DoJ and OEC on Friday night. Though Krikorian added that he “wouldn’t be surprised” if someone from DoJ showed up. We’ll find out later today if they did.
He said his team intended to ask detailed questions on the three major points they’d described in their press release [PDF] issued earlier this week, focusing on whether and how “The Government of Turkey had illegally infiltrated and influenced various U.S. government institutions and officials, including the Department of State, the Department of Defense, and individual members of the United States Congress.”
Krikorian did not seem dissuaded by the FBI’s and then the DoJ’s attempts to block Edmonds’ testimony, and that they intended to be thorough in their deposition. “That’s pretty much the whole point of this exercise,” he told me.
Schmidt (R-OH)’s attorney is Bruce Fein, the one-time Assoc. Deputy Attorney General in the Reagan Administration who has, over the past several years, become a fierce critic of the George W. Bush Administration. He believed the deposition would not take long, though Krikorian’s people may have a differing opinion there.
There are apparently a handful of mostly independent and foreign media outlets present outside the NWC. No corporate MSM, from the reports I’ve gotten. Independent TV/media, an Armenian English language weekly, and press attache representatives of some foreign governments are among those present.
8:40am PT (11:40am ET): During a break, Edmonds and the attorneys stepped outside.
DoJ still a no-show, so the questioning has proceeded, and Edmonds has been able to say “everything that she hasn’t been able to say so far, implicating many members of Congress in a criminal conspiracy,” according to interviews with Fein and others.
Edmonds’ attorney, Michael Kohn said: “The Justice Department decided not to show. Therefore, the deposition has gone much more smoothly than we had anticipated.”
Edmonds told me in a brief phone conversation during the break: “Bruce Fein is raising objections to everything,” though that’s to be expected. She said she’s been asked, and has answered, questions on Dan Burton (R-IN), Dennis Hastert (R-IL) (who is now a lobbyist for Turkey), and Stephen Solarz (D-NY), as well as other questions on those high-ranking officials and lobbyists in her “State Secrets Gallery.”
She added that “somebody said the FBI was given the wrong time, for 11:30 instead of 10:30,” though she didn’t see how that could be, given that the time for the start of the deposition has been well publicized. In any case, it’s now 11:45am ET, so we’ll see if they showed up during this break. They have now gone back into session…
9:41am PT (12:41pm ET): Another break…Edmonds still being questioned under direct. Fein believes his cross-examination will last two hours or so once he begins. They are now breaking for lunch. DoJ/FBI still have not shown up.
The deposition is being videotaped and Edmonds hopes that it can be released as soon as possible after the deposition, though there have been some objections about releasing the video tape…
10:09am PT (1:09pm ET): Wow… just had lengthy conversation with Krikorian about Edmonds’ testimony. Just wow… coming momentarily…
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Spoke to Edmonds, who says she’s “tired, gotta put some sugar into her system,” but that she’s satisfied with what’s being put on the record so far. “Things we have never discussed outside before.”
A lengthy conversation then, with Krikorian, may give you some idea of what she’s referring to.
Here’s Krikorian, directly quoted. Hang on to your seats…
From my opinion, if I’m some of the current members of Congress, I’d be very very worried about the information that’s going to come out of this. There are current members of Congress that she has implicated in bribery, espionage. It’s not good. It’s crazy, it’s absolutely crazy. For people in power situations in the United States, who know about this information, if they don’t take action against it, in my opinion, it’s negligence.
[Which current members have been implicated?] [Dan] Burton (R-IN), described as basically accepting bribes and involved in espionage for the Turkish government…she could not discuss the extremely illegal activities that Mr. Burton committed against U.S. interests, as she put it.Also, a current female
Democratic[ed note: I misheard, he later said he didn’t know if she was Dem or Rep] member of Congress who has been blackmailed by the Turkish Government…called a ‘hooking exercise’…she’s apparently bi-sexual and they bugged her apartment, she’s married with children, and they set up a relationship with another female who went in and had sexual relationships with her. And they had all the episodes bugged within this current Representative’s home and they blackmailed her. … She wouldn’t give her name, but her photograph [is the one with the question mark on it in the “Sibel Edmonds Rogue Gallery.” ]The context of the discussion was that this particular Representative was amenable to passage of the Armenian Genocide Resolution. And then based on this ‘hooking’ operation, changed her position. She was reluctant to put this person’s name on record.
[CORRECTION/CLARIFICATION FROM EDMONDS, 4:26pm PT (7:26pm ET): After reviewing our coverage, Edmonds clarifies that she did not discuss the specific voting record of the Congresswoman in question discussed above, because she didn’t, and still doesn’t, know her record on that particular issue. As Krikorian’s quote above may have been inadvertently misleading on that point, she wanted to correct that record. – BF] [Other people implicated included] Livingston (R-TXLA), Hastert (R-IL), Dick Gephardt (D-MO), other non-Congressional members, people like Brent Scowcroft, other appointed members of the U.S. government.One of the reasons we sought her testimony is especially for these reasons. I can tell you that counsel for Schmidt has been objecting to much of the testimony. I stopped counting the number of objections that were raised. But, she’s an extremely credible witness, she knows a lot about what happened. She’s implicated Turkish organizations operating in the U.S. with both overt and covert operations.
[Q: Which ones?]ATC, ATAA, TACA…She talked about how she was recruited to join these operations, she talked about the fact that the Inspector General’s report exonerated her, she talked about the circumstances around her dismissal, she talked about the fact that these Turkish American operations were, she said in her words, ‘all receiving support from the Turkish government.’
She talks about one of the main lobby issues is suppressing U.S. media coverage of the Armenian Genocide and preventing the Armenian Genocide resolution in Congress from passing. She said very very strongly that is one of their major issues.
She also attested there is no credible opposition to the historical facts of the Armenian genocide, that it’s only coming from Turkey.
[Ed note: Edmonds was raised in Turkey, though is a U.S. citizen. Krikorian is of Armenian descent. Schmidt is neither, but she is co-chair of the Congressional Turkish Caucus.]Did not have very flattering things to say about former U.S. House Speaker Dennis Hastert. … Actually, I stopped taking notes because I was o fascinated by what she was saying. … She talked about the Rand Corp., Brewster-Jennings, nuclear secrets…
Frankly it’s disappointing that things like this are happening in the land of the free and the home of the brave. Is it a huge surprise? No. Should it be tolerated? Absolutely not. I can’t imagine George Washington and Thomas Jefferson allowing this sort of thing to go on in the Republic that they created. I cannot imagine it.
We’re talking about High Crimes against the United States government. If the Government is aware of these High Crimes and doesn’t prosecute them, I’m not sure what can be said about this.
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[Q: Do you predict problems with Democrats whose support you will need when running against Schmidt as a Dem in 2010?]Problem with Democrats…?
Well, Mr. Gephardt and Mr. Solarz are no longer Representatives of the U.S. House of Representatives. I think it would be extremely naive and the height of folly for the Democratic leadership to suggest for a moment that Democrats aren’t also corrupt. I don’t mean as an entirety, but that there aren’t corrupt members of the Democrat caucus. I think there was a recent Democrat down south somewhere who was found with thirty thousand dollars cash in his freezer, or whatever.
If Democratic National Committee or the DCCC [Democratic Congressional Campaign Comm.] came out and said, ‘hey, we’re entirely clean and there’s no fault on us,’ I think the American public would laugh at them. So, this is not an indictment of one party or the other. This is about standing up for what’s right for the country, and what is right for the citizens of our country.
Again, I ran as an independent last time [in 2008]. I’m running as a Democrat [in 2010] because I think right now they’re probably the better of the two parties. But nevertheless, I don’t necessarily buy into the fact that they’re without blood on their hands…
[Q: Did she implicate any sitting Democrats?]She did not indicate any names of any currently serving Democrats that I’m aware. [Though he wasn’t certain if the unnamed female Representative was either Democratic or Republican.]
Krikorian went on to say that he expects to release the video of the deposition, which, along with the transcript, is the property of his legal team. says “There will be…This could be a 10 part YouTube video segment, that we’ll put out there.”
He doesn’t yet know when a transcript will be available.
The cross-examination of Edmonds, by Schmidt’s attorney Fein, is still in progress…
12:24pm PT (3:24pm ET) Apparently the proceedings are now wrapping up. It’s believed that Edmonds and Krikorian and the attorneys will speak to whatever media are outside the NWC. Will cover…
12:56pm (3:56pm ET) Okay, I believe this will be the final update. But it will end with a BANG. Big time…Read to the end…really…
The attorneys and Krikorian and Edmonds all had a media avail after the deposition completed.
Bruce Fein, the attorney for Rep. Jean Schmidt (R-OH) — who began all of this with her complaint at the Ohio Election Commission against David Krikorian, claiming he made “false statements” by alleging she took “blood money” from Turkish interests to suppress a vote in the U.S. House on the Armenian Genocide resolution — was confronted by a reporter with Armenian TV who asked if it wasn’t the “cornerstone of free speech” for candidates to talk about freely about these matters.
Fein became very defensive, said that Krikorian “can say whatever he wants about the Armenian Genocide, but what he’s not allowed to do is state lies. We don’t want to close anybody’s mouth when it comes to taking about the Armenian Genocide…What we’re trying to do is promote freedom of speech. Some versions are trying to harass individuals who are trying to dispute history.”
The reporter, Elizabeth Chouldjian, freelancing coverage today for Armenian Horizons TV, is also with Armenian National Committee of America, and she continue to press her points, and asked Fein if he didn’t have a conflict of interest in this case. She had earlier told me that Fein was a Board member of the Turkish Coalition of America, Turkish American Legal Defense Fund and legal counsel for Assembly of Turkish American Associations. She wondered if it was appropriate for Fein to represent Schmidt, since he himself could be called to testify, as a witness on behalf of the Assembly of Turkish American Associations.
Chouldjian had told me that he’s been flying around the country, essentially trying to deny that the genocide ever occurred, has sued the state of Massachusetts to put Armenian genocide “denialist” material in text books, is suing the Southern Poverty Law Center for putting out an article last year called “State of Denial” which, she says, focused on Turkish interests trying to block Armenian Genocide resolution from being passed.
Fein left very quickly thereafter, so I didn’t get a chance to ask him if he, himself, recognized what he called, several times, “the Armenian genocide.”
Chouldjian later told Edmonds of Fein’s connections to those organizations, several of whom came up in the deposition, apparently. Edmonds had no idea Fein was allied with those organizations.
Michael Kohn, Edmonds attorney, working on behalf of the National Whistleblower Center made his statement to say he’s “glad her testimony has finally count out…It’s been many years in the making. We’re delighted that the Justice Department did not intervene and allowed the testimony to go forward.” He said it was “a breath of fresh air from the previous administration.” He didn’t “think it would have happened with the previous administration.”
He was not sure when the transcript of the session would be released. New information today, he said, including naming persons by name and with a great deal of specifics. NWC would review the testimony and disseminate it publicly as soon as possible.
Krikorian stated: “We came here to get the sworn testimony of a very very credible witness in defense against a current Congresswoman. And then, beyond that, doing what is right for the country, which is why I’m running. I plan to win this case, and I plan to win this election,” he said.
He said there is an Ohio Election Commission preliminary meeting on Aug. 13th, and a hearing on Sept 3rd, and that he would look at releasing both video and transcript thereafter.
Edmonds, however, seemed to suggest that the video tape, at least, might be released in full sooner.
Here comes a bombshell or two…
At the venue, Edmonds said that she named names and details on all of the Congress members noted on her “State Secrets Gallery” page. And then some.
She said she told them about “Mr. [Marc] Grossman and Brewster Jennings…And the real story about them, not the crap they got from the media.”
I was unable to follow up that statement with a question, before she got into a cab, but was able to track her down on her cell thereafter.
First, I asked if she specified whether the sitting bi-sexual, married Congresswoman who had been taped sleeping with a woman, without knowing, and then bribed by Turkish interests with the tape, to vote against the Armenian Genocide resolution had been a Democrat or a Republican. She said she is a Democrat, and that she testified to that during her deposition. (See Krikorian’s long statement above for more details on that woman.)
Second, I asked about the “real” story on Brewster Jennings, as opposed to the “crap…from the media” as she mentioned at the venue.
“Basically,” she said, “I told them how [third-ranking State Dept. official in the Bush Admin and former Ambassador to Turkey] Marc Grossman disclosed” that Brewster Jennings was a CIA front company to the target of an FBI investigation. “And it was under oath and that some lives may have been lost.”
“Novak has nothing to do with it. Wilson has nothing to do with it. Valerie Plame has nothing to do with it. The whole operation has to do with something totally different and it had to do with the American Turkish Council and the Turkish clients who were about to hire Brewster Jennings as an analyst … and Grossman found out about it, and tipped off his diplomatic contact who was a target of the FBI counter-intelligence, and that person notified the ISI [Pakistani intelligence agency], etc.”
She says that Brewster Jenning was then “dismantled as soon as the FBI notified the CIA,” after which “FBI requested CIA to do a damage assessment, to see if lives would be lost.”
All of this, she re-iterated, was “long before, three years before,” Novak outed Valerie Plame as a CIA operative in his newspaper column.
Brewster Jennings was “absolutely” dismantled in August of 2001.
“Grossman and [Richard] Armitage, they are the only two people involved. Later on Cheney and his people may have used it, but it had nothing to do with those other things, [Brewster Jennings] was completely destroyed and gone by the summer of 2001.”
For those not fully up on Edmonds’ story, her job at the FBI was to listen to wiretaps in the counter-intel department, to translate foreign targets caught on those taps. Presumably, that’s where her details on the destruction of Brewster Jennings comes from. She was hired by the agency shortly after 9/11.
Bombshell enough for ya? Let’s see if anyone in the corporate media bothers to agree, and/or pick up on this — now that it’s officially “on the record” and, as Edmonds took pains to point out: under oath!
Here endeth today’s live-blogging session. We hope to be hitting the road this afternoon (we were supposed to go on “vacation” today, but have had to put things off for this), so if anyone feels like tipping us some gas money, to make up for three hours sleep and today’s marathon coverage, we’d much appreciate it!
wow.
thanks Brad
Brad,
Thanks for your efforts! Would be good at some point to assemble what to take from this hearing in terms of questions we can ask our congressmen when we go to the town halls that will likely be “over-atttended” by the righties as well. Perhaps if we have a good list of questions here many can take with them, we can elevate the visibility of this case and what she’s been able to and not been able to say in it to both our congressmen, and any others attending and covering those town halls.
WOW!
A Beginning.
Holy smoke!!!
I thought this day would never come.
You ARE the Man!
Go Sibel!!!
Looking great. Thanks a million.
Thankfully!!!
Thanks for the coverage! Sibel you make us proud. Keep this fight alive.
Congrats to Brad and Sibel and everyone else that has persisted…way to go, the truth shall set us free
I’m wishing . Paul Newman were alive to see this day.
I’m just hoping we get to hear some of this. I can imagine someone swooping in at the last minute to seal the testimony.
I hope we get to hear some of it, and I hope that we get some accountability out of it…
Yeah, will Holder do an Ashcroft, and try to retoractively gag all of this later?
Message to Holder. Technology is far more advanced today than it was then, and info will travel a lot farther and faster. Hopefully that videotape will gather wings before any such attempt to do that would happen. If that videotape gets out, in addition to written word which is probably already too late to stop now, any retroactive gag attempt would be useless and only damaging to Holder and the DOJ…
FANTASTIC! Way to go, Sibel & Co.!
Thanks to you too Luke for all your persistence in covering this story and informing me about it. It is Appreciated!!
http://letsibeledmondsspeak.blogspot.com/
Peace.
Is Sibel’s deposition being videotaped? It would be great if video and/or a transcript could at some point be publicly posted.
So proud of what Sibel Edmonds is doing. She is a woman of integrity and courage. I wish her well and I hope that the American people get behind her and give her all the support she may need.
Keep it going Sibel and bless you for all you are doing!
Oh, I see the answer to my question is in an update:
If only Krikorian had read anything by Brad or me over the last 5 years then he’d know all of this! The good news is that Sibel is now under oath.
“she could not discuss the extremely illegal activities that Mr. Burton committed against U.S. interests, as she put it.”
Does this refer to her not being able to discuss this on the phone with you on her lunch break, or that she couldn’t discuss this in her testimony she is giving today?
This is awesome, should really stir things up. I hope some of these guys will finally get their comeuppance. Congratulations Sibel if they don’t gag this it’s your well deserved vindication after so many years. We love you.
Orangutan asked @ 19
That was a direct quote from Krikorian, talking about Edmonds’ testimony.
How ro go, Brad, Luke, and, especially, Sibel, It’s going to be fun watching the corporate/military/media as they try to fan these flames out. You go girl!
I’m assuming this Bruce Fein is the same Bruce Fein whose a “resident scholar” at the Turkish Coalition of America.
[ed note: I don’t know if it’s THE Bruce Fein, but if it is, he’s a pretty good guy. –99]
jbnhm – yep,
See my
http://lukery.blogspot.com/2009/05/bruce-fein-turkey-and-armenian-genocide.html
and
http://lukery.blogspot.com/2009/05/bruce-fein-turkey.html
Anything said about Joe Lieberman or Hillary Clinton or any other of her “dirty dozen” list that she had put out earlier?
Or for that matter, why was the late Tom Lantos on the rogue’s gallery list, or did they avoid talking about him out of respect for those who have passed on?
Did Eymur get discussed at all? Perhaps his role in the rogue’s gallery wasn’t as pertinent to the case at hand in terms of bribery of congress critters, but he seemed to be at the root of the recent revelations she discussed with you on the Malloy show on Bin Laden, etc.
Any word on who the other “question mark” entity was?
Brad can you also post the whole video (not seperated) to some other site like sendspace.com or other sharing site? Youtube can be easily censored. From those sharing sites the whole video can be shared through P2P on bittorent.
Casc – there won’t be anything from the Dirty Dozen.
Lantos was on the list for the same reason that the other congresscritters were, dead or not.
I have to think that the DoJ’s resistance was half-hearted; otherwise, they would have moved to quash the deposition subpoena. There is, of course, still a distinct possibility that the DoJ will intervene, seeking a protective order that would prevent the release of the deposition and further prevent the attorneys, as well as litigants, from revealing the content of the deposition.
So these on-the-spot summaries before that could occur, Brad, are of vital historical importance.
Perservere!
Ernest A. Canning
Brad if you need help in converting the video to a good size for sharing you can use the following software:
It’s called HandBrake
http://handbrake.fr
Ernest – yes – Brad is doing an amazing job, and an amazing service – as he has done for the last however many years on this case. Great job Brad.
Let the Truth be Told.
They can’t continue ignoring ALL OF THIS? Can they?
Amazing.
Thank you, Sibel, Brad, Luke and all who have gotten us to this point. Far, far still to go.
leveymg – apparently there isnt any MSM there.
Brad will get all the kudos.
Even Steve Aftergood didn’t publish anything this week. Jeff Stein did at CQ.
Refresh, refresh, refresh
Another take on the Sibel Edmonds LIHOP(or not even!) canard:
http://www.wtcdemolition.com/blog/node/2379
Mark Geragos is tweeting from the deposition – pointing to BradBlog!
Luke,
Yes, this is a very refreshing story!… Pardon the pun!
Orangutan asked @ 19
Does this refer to her not being able to discuss this on the phone with you on her lunch break, or that she couldn’t discuss this in her testimony she is giving today?
Adding a legal perspective to Brad’s response @ 21, even though Sibel has gone forward with her deposition testimony, given previously imposed legal restraints, she has to make on-the-spot decisions on what questions she can and cannot answer.
There is nothing unusual in that. I have personally been involved in depositions where witnesses had to avoid divulging classified materials while otherwise providing accurate testimony on matters that are not classified.
Casc – it is killing me…
530AM here. Dosed up on coffee.
Cool. This is refreshing.
Sibel is a true American hero.
I only wish that her testimony had been broadcast the minute see was finished testifying. Waiting just gives this criminal government time to cover it’s tracks thru various methods.
@Luke Ryland
That explains the quickness of your posting here and at Against All Enemies.
Re JBMHN comment #23 & 99’s note.
The content of Brad’s piece reflects that it is indeed the “Bruce Fein.”
I agree with 99 that Bruce is one of the “good guys.” I suspect that Fein’s client Schmidt (R-OH) may not be.
One has to distinguish the lawyer from the cause he or she represents.
Fein has an ethical obligation to vigorously represent his client — an ethical obligation which, in this case, may require him to raise objections during the deposition. Those objections do not make Fein a “bad guy.” To the contrary, they probably reflect the fact that Bruce Fein is a very good lawyer, which I know from having read his past articles, he is.
I just posted the above Bradblog at Steve Clemon’s blog, “The Washington Note”. I strongly suggest that the readers here follow suit, and get this Bradblog posted at as many insider and MSM blogs as they can. This should be explosive, but without exposure, it will fizzle, just like the Downing Street Memos did.
jbnhm – I’m not sure why I’m posting at AAE. Brad has all the details…
But yes, I am jittery (from the coffee and nerves)!
Wow. This is fabulous. Sibel Edmonds is a true patriot.
Ernest at 43, see my links at #24
Fein works for the Turkish Lobby.
Good work POA. I wonder if Clemons’ response will be similar to the last time he mentioned this case.
I doubt he responds at all, Luke.
But his blog is read by more than a few heavyweights. The more exposure to this, the better.
This is going to be a bit harder for the media to minimalize then a golf trip or a dinner, so expect them to ignore it completely. That plus the fact that it’s hard for a fake media hero to report on a real heroine.
Larry – there’s no sign of anything on the wires yet. Let’s hope Geragos makes a noise about it.
Want to know the name of the female member of Congress accused by Sibel of having a secret lesbian relationship — one which was used to switch her vote?
I am fairly certain that I know who is is. My evidence is on my blog.
http://cannonfire.blogspot.com
FYI – given that Brad is making note of the ancestry of some of the people involved here, Geragos has Armenian heritage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Geragos
I don’t think I was very clear in that note, Ernie. I don’t know if it’s the same Bruce Fein who is the “resident scholar” the commenter mentioned.
I admire the Bruce Fein representing “Mean Jean”. I’d go so far as to say I admire him greatly. I’ve seen and heard him passionately arguing for our constitution quite a few times and can’t say enough how good he is, how this country would be paradise if we had lots more people just like him. I’m only bugged that his decency and integrity will reflect on his client, which I strongly feel is completely undeserved.
Agent 99 – yes, it is the same Bruce Fein
Sorry: I meant to write “I know who SHE is.”
And I’ll take down the story if Lukery tells me I’m wrong.
No mention of Robert Wexler I hope… I like a lot of the things he does, but he does have strong ties to Turkey as well. I’d like to think there are some congress critters that have ties with them for well meaning purposes and not just the corruption of many mentioned here.
I know that Armenians aren’t a big fan of Mr. Wexler though.
Casc – no, Wexler’s name has never come up.
Joe – that’s not a bad guess given the AIPAC stuff, but I’m pretty sure it’s not her. If my memory serves, in Sibel’s recent interview of Russ Tice, Sibel says something along the lines that she took some whistleblower cases to Harman. She would not have done that if she knew that Harman was being bribed.
One concern I had with Mark Geragos handling the case was whether there would be problems with him having to get a secret clearance for any of Sibel’s testimony or preparation for it, since he already had been kicked off the case representing Brent Wilkes for not wanting to have a background check done. Thankfully it sounds like this wasn’t an issue. In retrospect, I’m much happier with him getting off of Wilkes’ case moreso than Krikorian’s. Maybe that was by design on his part! 🙂
Joe, interesting conjecture, but considering the pressure that Harman’s been having lately, perhaps it is likely it would have been exposed by now if true since there seems to have been a lot of folk after her lately. Though she probably deserves a lot of the flak she’s been getting for some of the things she’s done. If it were Harman, that might be another interesting reason that could explain Waxman’s resistance to having Sibel testify, since Harman’s in an adjacent district to Waxman’s, and might give him a lot of trouble if he were the source of her undoing there.
The unnamed congresswoman blackmailed has been named by Wayne Madsen at his site:
“Perhaps the most explosive part of the deposition involved the Turkish government being engaged in a sexual blackmail operation against a sitting member of the House of Representative. In what the FBI termed a “hooking process,” an ATC female operative enticed a female member of the House into a lesbian sexual encounter at a Washington, DC townhouse.”
“The identity of the House member in question was not revealed during the deposition by Edmonds. However, WMR has learned from another informed source that it is Representative Jan Schakowsky (D-IL), a strong supporter of AIPAC and Israel and a close political ally of President Obama and his chief of staff Rahm Emanuel.”
from http://www.waynemadsenreport.com
Remember – Henry Waxman has been told all of this before. And he refused to do anything.
A tweet from Sibel:
I am so happy to have found this article.
I recall vividly the article in Vanity Fair about Ms. Edmonds and have often wondered what became of all of this.
I believe she is a true patriot and spoke out at a time that was very difficult to get any justice.
Thank you for covering this and best of luck to Ms. Edmonds. She has my complete respect and thanks.
Katie
Patriot One: Oh… I wondered why after ‘popular’ Jan Schakowsky’s name was being banded around furiously as a replacement for Obama’s Senate seat — things then went decidedly quiet.
Congratulations to Sibel, and thank you to Luke and Brad for covering it.
The Facts Speak For Themselves
oops ‘bandied about’
And yes thank you for the interesting update ~ + hope she does an interview with Scott Horton soon.
I’m just now reading the updates but I would like to say
Thank you Sibel Edmonds, a true patriot, for having the courage and perseverance and for a great service to your country and all of us it’s citizens
and thank you Brad Friedman for pursuing this story and your work.
Madsen has his head lodged where he often keeps it lodged. Schakowsky did not mysteriously backtrack on the Armenian genocide thing. Harman did.
And you should read what Sibel has had to say about Harman previously in these very cyber-pages. She was hinting at what she could not say.
Sand – Scott Horton is one of the best interviewers on the planet. His interviews with Sibel have all been outstanding.
I’ve been looking and looking, and so far I’ve found only one female member of congress who first supported the Armenian genocide resolution and then turned against it: Jane Harman. Schakowsky voted for it. The Armenian community is not angry at her; they are angry at Jane.
Also, I may be wrong on this, but I do not think that Schakowsky has children.
99 — It is indeed the same Bruce Fein/resident scholar and former member of the Reagan Justice Department.
Fein took part in and made excellent contributions to an ABA study which challenged the legality of Bush’s more than 1,000 Presidential signing statements. He has taken legal positions sharply critical of the Bush administration’s “Unitary Executive” theory.
Brad’s latest update suggests that Fein may have to withdraw from representation because he may be a potential witness in the case. This ethical problem is not infrequent.
An attorney must withdraw if it is clear that the attorney must be a witness on matters of substance — as opposed to procedural matters like the substance of agreements between opposing counsel. But courts are sometimes remiss to permit one side to call opposing counsel as a witness unless it is truly necessary, lest the tactic be used to simply rid oneself of an effective opposing advocate.
There may be a significant problem with any effort to call Fein as a witness with respect to any organization with whom he has acted as legal counsel because his knowledge about those organizations would likely be shielded by attorney/client privilege.
If either Fein or the court determines that he must withdraw, this, standing alone, would not reduce the high regard I have for Mr. Fein’s work in the field of constitutional law. It does suggest that Fein is in a difficult legal position. It is quite possible that Fein will advise his client to retain alternative counsel. But we will have to wait and see.
Joe – again, Sibel would not have gone to Harman with her whistleblowers if she knew Harman was corrupt. That just makes sense (although I will need to go back and review the interview where I THINK she said that she did)
Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure that Sibel is furious at Harman – but I don’t think she is ‘that woman.’
Luke: The transcript of the Tice interview to which you link does not mention Harman. Even if Sibel had gone to Harman, that does not change the fact that ONLY Jane Harman fits the description given in the deposition. It’s not a matter of mere guesswork: It’s a process of elimination.
I can’t find any reference to Sibel Edmonds on Wayne Madsen’s site right now. Where’s the refrence to Schakowski?
Pissed off American @ 44:
Done. Excellent suggestion. Would add that everyone with eyes scanning this text and fingers that work well enough to press buttons also please DIGG / RETWEET /Redittbuzzit, whathaveyou – this article. Takes a second and makes a real difference as to what gets seen and where.
Thank you, Sibel. I hope today you are so lightened of this load you have carried so well and for so long that you float home tingling. Also imagining that tonight will bring you the soundest, deepest, most satisfying REM sleep you can have in human form.
Amazing job, Bradblog. Thanks to you and Luke for your pit bull tenacity over the years on this most compelling shocker story of the highest national importance.
Yes, that crossed my mind, Ernie, but I figure if he was hired, it was for his expertise in the subject matter, and if he took the case, he didn’t have a reasonable expectation that there would be anything involved that would turn into an issue of him needing to be a witness, but I’m not paying that close attention to this stuff.
Un-American as that may sound, I’m completely wiped on this issue of what Sibel has to say. It seems to me she has said everything repeatedly, and that plenty of people know the scope of it, but it all comes out in these little dibs and dabs that are just more confusing after you have looked hard enough to get the gist. Maybe there’s merit in reminding everyone about the Feds covering up drug trafficking and nukes trafficking and the dirty officials involved, but too many people are too confused, and that would be because nobody has ever sat down and very clearly outlined it. It’s always these sensational hintings of stuff that never comes to much.
Maybe the video will clear things up.
Maybe Brad, when he’s slept enough, and Ghiraldi can get together with her and write a book, or Pulitzer-worthy essay and I’ll finally muster the vitality for it again, but in the meantime I still cling to my respect for Fein and revile that I must suspect the worst from every little nudge toward an opening for a functional DoJ….
Can’t help it. 🙁
Luke: Might it be that for Sibel to follow security protocols, that she needed to communicate then with someone from the “gang of eight”, which from this page looks like it had the following members:
Denny Hastert
Nancy Pelosi
Porter Goss
Jane Harman
Bill Frist
Tom Daschle
Pat Roberts
Jay Rockefeller
In short, for whistleblower issues, she might not have had much choice and had to go to one of these people to not violate security protocols.
Joe – no – I did not transcribe that part of the interview. You’ll have to listen to it yourself – or wait till I transcribe it, but my MEMORY is that Sibel and Tice discussed going to Harman, and how ‘silly’ they feel about it now. You can listen to the interview at that link.
I’m not arguing that Harman is innocent in any of this – in fact, I strongly believe that she is compromised, and I think that SIbel does too. I AM saying that I’m CONFIDENT that Harman is not the congresswoman that Sibel is referring to here.
Casc – yes and no. If my memory is correct about the interview with Tice, there is NO WAY she would have gone to Harman if Sibel thought Harman was compromised.
If someone has time – could they please go through that interview to find the relevant quote.
No sure about the lodging of Madsen’s head.
Apparently Schakowsky does have children.
http://www.votesmart.org/bio.php?can_id=6387
Luke, there is no-one else who fits the bill.
No-one. I’m looking and looking. I’ll apologize if you can find another candidate, but I cannot.
Either Sibel spoke incorrectly on the stand, or it is Harman. Her reasons for going to Harman may be unguessable by you right now. Perhaps to level a veiled threat…
In re: the Schakowsky v. Harman debate above… Please note this amendment to the live blog, that I added above, just below Krikorian’s remarks on the sitting Congresswoman in question:
Huge thanks to Sibel and Brad. If Grossman is the culprit, this calls into question another can of worms. Why was there such a production around Patrick Fitzgerald and Scooter Libby? Peter Lance implicates Fitzgerald in much of the 9-11 cover-up of failed FBI and SDNY policy. Another culprit, Jamie Gorelick and the current World Bank President Zoellick are linked. Was Valerie Plame the real target because as Sibel informs us she interdicted shipments of VX nerve gas from the Carlyle Group being sent to salt evidence for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq? What is the role of Wolfowitz and the World Bank in protecting Turkey? This is HUGE and I fear for honest Jewish people and others who are innocent of crime when this all comes out.
thanks brad
that may break the deadlock
RE: Harman, Schakowsy — What about Anna Eshoo?
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2007-10-25-3712006186_x.htm
Thank You for keeping with this story…I have been waiting for Ms. Edmonds to be allowed to testify ever since 9/11…(I was one of the 28,000 private airport security screeners who took the “rap” (fired) for the FAA/TSA, the Airlines and the Bush Administrations, dereliction of duty, incompetence, conspiracy and/or collusion (cover-up) of the 9/11 tragedy..I am so glad you have followed Ms. Edmonds story and printed her deposition
You “fear for honest Jewish people”, Simon? Why? What do you think is going to happen to them?
Sibel, I absolutely salute your integrity.
To everyone who documented this with audio, video and text, please publish and get this raw information out. Duplicate and hide your master tapes off site.
You can later outline it, or write a book, or whatever you desire to do so we all can understand the ramifications of all this at a later time.
Publish first, so we don’t step backwards, so the forces behind the gag can’t contract again and so it can’t be buried by corporate media, spun, or blacklisted.
When the bubble pops it needs to be the rats, moles and treasonous ones that get splattered, not the good guys and gals. Don’t give the bad guys a chance to contract this extremely volatile bubble. Keep it in the sunlight and out of the darkness.
Pretty sad results on Google news search:
http://bit.ly/IBOj3
The news media is blatantly far right. Pretending otherwise at this point is an emperor-has-no-clothes kind of situation.
“The world would not make a racehorse of an ass”
– Irish Proverb
Anna Eshoo seems a possible candidate, but:
1. She is not now married. Sibel Edmonds specified that the blackmail victim was.
2. Eshoo is also still strongly in favor of passing an Armenian genocide resolution. If she had been blackmailed, then she would not now be in the forefront of that fight. I see nothing that would have made the blackmail threat go away.
3. Eshoo is of Armenian descent herself. I think she would have told Turks to do their worst and go to hell.
The move to table the resolution was political. Convinced that the resolution would not win, they decided to fight again another day. Note that Brad Sherman — whom I admire, and who does not appear to be blackmailable — was also among the four.
We should have some video from outside the depo, the various speakers, etc. later tonight… Will post in a fresh thread.
Joseph Cannon the mention of Schakowsky is in the premium portion of the site. You must subscribe to see it at this time. Wayne allows certain stories to be released by subscribers immediately and this is one of them.
Every politician and government apparatchik involved with the Turkish government should lose thier security clearances immediately. This is clearly a breach of American security. This would probably force many of the folks to resign immediately, at least the ones still in government.
I was out all day. Wha’d I miss?
Nothing much, Dan. 😉
If Harman is not the woman, then we have a serious problem.
The only other possibility is that Sibel Edmonds is a unreliable — which was (incidentally) Larisa Alexandrovna’s assessment.
Before you vent your fury at me, consider: Sibel Edmonds was an FBI translator for only a brief stint — December 2001 to March, 2002.
The Armenian Genocide Resolution was not introduced until 2007.
And yet Sibel says that the blackmail was conducted “in the context” of the Armenian Genocide Resolution.
That is one serious fucking problem. And the problem is with us no matter WHO the unnamed congresswoman might be.
I will presume that when she worked for the FBI, Sibel was not getting dispatches from the future.
Yes, it’s true that we have this precis of Edmond’s testimony at second hand from Kirkpatrick. But I don’t see how he could have brought up the resolution if Sibel Edmonds had not done so first.
I will withhold final judgment until I see the exact transcript. But right now — provisionally — I would say that something smells of fish.
Joseph – I sent you an email with a link to Sibel’s clarification of what Krikorian said, in which she says she didn’t say one way or another which the Rep had voted, because she had no idea. Krikorian says it was “in the context of” that discussion, and Sibel knows that what she said was video-taped and transcribed and to be released publicly.
So why are you creating “something fishy” out of nothing fishy?
But yes, the transcript will clarify your concerns, I’d think, one way or another when it’s released. BTW, since she was the first one to say ‘Hey, I didn’t say which way she voted, please correct that so folks aren’t misled’, I further am puzzled as to why you’d be making the insinuations you are.
There was (as of now) some kind of miscommunication between what Krikorian said and what he’d heard (he even notes, in his direct quote, that he stopped taking notes at one point). So why create something here that doesn’t exist? At least for the moment??
Sibel rockz
Well even if it’s not Harman, now I’ve had to entertain the NIGHTMARISH thought of her having sex with both males and females…THANKS, JOE!!!!!
Comment #99, how appropriate!
Sorry; I meant Krikorian, not Kirkpatrick.
And I see no situation in which he would have brought up the Armenian Genocide Resolution as the blackmail context unless Sibel had done so.
Sorry, but the chronological problem looms quite large. Nothing in the clarification affects it.
There never has been a vote on that resolution. So all talk of “voting records” is meaningless. The clarification clarifies exactly nothing.
Brad: You did a fantastic job. Thank you. I also want to thank every one of you; for all your support & kind words.
Sibel
Joe, you also saw no other possibility “NONE!” as you said in your comment on your own Cannonfire item:
Well, as noted in the clarification above, there is certainly a third choice (perhaps even more). Whether you accept that choice or not is beside the point. So to say, again that there is “no situation in which he would have brought up the Armenian Genocide Resolution” is just silly. The entire deposition focused on and around that issue. He was being bombarded with names and crimes that he’d never heard before, all having to do with that issue, and related issues. Why is it impossible to understand that he might have mispoken?
Why would Sibel lie about something that she knows is now on the record, and that she’s hoping to see released ASAP?
Why are you looking for hobgoblins where none seem to exist? Isn’t there plenty to chew on already here??
Good going, Sibel! Keep on keepin’ on!
Bruce Fein is one of the attorneys working for the Turkish-American Legal Defense Fund. See TALDF’s contact page.
The other attorney listed there, David Saltzman, has a law partnership with Gunay Ovunc (Evinch-Americanized spelling) and their website has the appropriately named domain of turklaw.net.
Ovunc also happens to be the current president of the Assembly of Turkish American Associations (ATAA).
So it would appear that Turkish lobby interests were well represented today by Bruce Fein, not to mention how appropriate it is that Schmidt is being legally represented by one of the attorney’s of the TALDF.
@Joseph Cannon,
There was an Armenian Genocide Resolution (H.R.596) in October 2000 that was withdrawn right at the last minute by Speaker Hastert. You are mistakenly thinking of the 2007 bill in your chronological problem.
Sibel and Brad,
you have taken great risks for your country, reminiscent of the pledge the founding fathers made of their lives, their property and their sacred honor. I am not surprised that a person born overseas understands and treasures our freedom.
HR 596 was suspended by Hastert more than a year before Sibel Edmonds was employed by the FBI. So the chronology still seems off.
And Brad, you’re reaching. If the guy said she spoke in the context of the Armenian Genocide Resolution — and then it turned out that she had not even brought up that resolution — then he’s kind of wacky and should not run for office.
I mean, it would be like coming out of “The Wizard of Oz” and telling people that the movie was about a newspaper publisher who really misses his boyhood sled.
It would appear that Ms. Edmonds is now in great danger of prosecution and perhaps even in physical danger. Her bravery in testifying must be noted and commended.
No, not really. The wiretaps Sibel was asked to review went back to 1997.
If you are looking for documentation go back to what David Rose wrote in his article :
Picked up on the wiretap recordings was references to bribed paid to Hastert, and that:
As you point out it doesn’t make sense if it’s the 2007 Resolution. The 2000 resolution explains your chronology problem.
@Joseph Cannon: Kingfisher is correct, but there’s no chronological problem. Sibel was translating pre-9/11 material.
After 6 months of the Obama administration, that guy has to change the title of his blog to: “SIBEL EDMONDS SPEAKS”
We’re always pointing out bad things about the Obama administration, isn’t that something good?
Would this have happened, if Bush/Cheney were still in there?
Next, he’ll have to change it to: “WILL SIBEL EDMONDS PLEASE SHUT UP???”
(just kidding 😉 )
Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t the DOJ “lay down” here?
If anyone doubts the depth of hatred carried on by the Turkish American establishment for all Armenians living and dead, google “ergun kirlikovali” who is the president elect of the assembly of Turkish American associations, ATAA. Just a month ago, kirlikovali was quoted as threatening anyone who said the words “Armenian genocide” with lawsuits. So far, the Turkish American Legal Defense Fund, which is part of the Turkish American establishment has brought three colossally stupid lawsuits in service of genocide denial.
First, they supported an action against the Commonwealth of Massachusetts to amend how the Armenian Genocide is taught in public schools. Case thrown out on summary judgment. Strike one. Added benefit: they inadvertently kept the AG and their denial efforts in the public mind.
Next: TALDF represented mean Jean Schmidt, who is barely smart enough to find Turkey on the map, in her action against David Krikorian before the OEC. In addition to giving Sibel a platform from which to speak, they made public through her the corruption the TA establishment has engendered.
Their last genius bit of work was to sue the southern poverty law center for publishing a piece about AG agnostic historian Guenter Lewy.
As for Fein, he seems to make a nice living denying the AG for TALDF. He will take a position on genocide based on what his clients need, rather than the facts. For example, he argues that one cannot call the murder of Unarmed Armenians by the state a genocide because there has been no adjudication before a tribunal. Yet, on behalf of his Tamil clients, he is not reticient about calling Sinhalese actions genocide, despite the same lack of an adjudication.
By the way, Rafael Lemkin, the Yale professor who invented the term “genocide” did so with the experience of the Armenians and European Jewry in mind.
I can see the argument regarding pre-9/11 material, but I have yet to find any evidence — even that there was a congressperson who made a dramatic and mysterious turnaround on 596, and who fit the following criteria:
1. Female.
2. Married.
3. With children.
4. Democratic.
5. Served then and is serving now.
We may deduce another criterion. The blackmail threat would not have gone away. So this person cannot have voiced support for the Armenian cause at any point during the past eight or nine years. (That rules out Schakowsky, who co-sponsored the most recent bill.)
I just can’t find anyone who fits the bill.
Look, I don’t enjoy voicing suspicion of Edmonds. I’ve given her nothing but positive write-ups for years. But this still seems fishy to me.
Sibel/Brad:
Just a suggestion. But I think that Sibel should name the member of Congress. That will resolve some of the questions being raised here. Without evidence and/or an on the record source, I cannot name this person. But Sibel can, as she is the person with the first hand knowledge of these events and such. She has already violated the States Secrets gag by naming the rogues. This one is not going to be as legally dangerous as the rogues. Just my 2 cents. Go for it Sibel. Name her:)
Brad, if you know who it is, you may wish to contact their office to try and get a denial or a confirmation. I tried that a few years back, but they never got back to me. You might have better luck now given that there is a new (although similar) administration in power and that such revelations might be handled differently given the amount of damage this information would cause politically. The member of Congress may choose to get ahead of it and perhaps share their side of the story, that way, they have more control over the nature of the alleged affair revelations. That is the offer you should pitch to them and see if they respond. It can’t hurt. But this would be one hell of a scoop if you could get a denial or a confirmation from that office. Again, just my 2 cents.
Nice work all of you. Brad for getting this covered. Sibel for testifying. Great job.
Where does this go from here? What impact will Sibel’s revelations have on the various matters that are impacted?
Will there be more pressure for a new 911 investigation?
What does this portend for Cheney/Libby with regard to the Plame matter?
Will charges be brought against Hastert and others?
Thanks so much Sibel, Brad, Luke, et.al….you restored my sense that justice will be done.
Last question…why was she allowed to testify, as in what is the other side’s next move?
You’ll pardon me if I doubt people would be very interested if the blackmail had something to do with, say, cheating on taxes.
It has been my understanding for a while that there have been many attempts to get a resolution re the Armenian Genocide, not just one, not just two, and the only thing that is a big deal about it at ALL is that lobbyists got themselves into position to blackmail any official. We already know this is Sibel’s credible allegation.
Might as well bicker over Michael Jackson’s tortured existence.
WHERE’S THE VIDEO OF THE DEPOSITION?
Steve, that would require an actual DOJ, independent from politics and actually interested in busting criminals. The Obama administration’s DOJ has apparently one interest: to cover up Bush-era crimes. So unless we get a whole new country based on the rule of law, I don’t see anyone getting any justice for anything. Not Siegelman, not Minor, not countless others, including Sibel.
We must all continue to share these stories and cover them if for no other reason than to create an accurate historical record. But justice is no longer an American value.
LA
Yeah, Larisa. Pretend that you never said to me the things you said about Sibel on the phone. Pretend that you never said that she was unreliable.
Shit. I should record my phone calls.
Anyways, there are six criteria listed above. Here is a list of everyone who supported HR 596 in 2000…
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/D?d106:3:./temp/~bd8Jnt:@@@P
I’ve gone through every female name. Every one of them has a problem with one of the six criteria. So Larisa, if you know the name — it must be someone who does not match one of those criteria.
Sing it, Larisa!
Yeah, I’ve heard Larisa sing. For, like, half an hour or longer, and that’s no exaggeration. She wouldn’t stop talking about how much she thought you-know-who was full of crap.
But those who sing sometimes change their tune.
Try:
http://articles.latimes.com/2007/oct/17/nation/na-genocidebox17
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/20563.html
Mr. Cannon,
This will be my only response to you. Enjoy it.
1). You and I don’t talk. The two times that we did, it was because you needed work and I was trying to help you – silly me (lesson learned).
2). We did discuss Ms. Edmonds, but not in the manner you claim. I never said she was unreliable. Everything I said to you, I have said to Siebel herself during a period when we were having some issues, which we resolved. Whatever your many issues, however, they have nothing to do with me or anything I have said (as evident from the direction your blog has taken over the last year).
3. Don’t invoke my name or claims about me for your own issues. Just focus on perhaps waiting for the transcript before you jump to conclusions – and you are jumping. It is not Jane Harman. Now just wait for the transcript and see if some of your questions won’t be answered.
4. I cannot name the person as it would be unethical. I have no evidence and the person making the allegations won’t name them. That is why I suggested Sibel simply naming the person in question.
5. Don’t address me again. You know what I think of you. I really don’t care what you think of me. So let’s not engage each other at all. If you still feel you need to obsess over me as you have done with your insane rants, feel free to do so. But don’t address me again. Hope I have made myself clear.
Now I am heading back to my pro-Obama conspiracy with Kos, Brad… and who else did you claim? No matter, I am sure I will find out at our secret meeting this evening (shhh, Brad).
Agent:) If you could only hear me sing… you would run for the hills. I cannot carry a tune in a bucket or any form of contraption. 😀
Agent,
Yes, it was a delusion because we were somewhat friendly and I was trying to help out a person in need. The person shared private matters about their life with me and that privacy has not been violated by me. I am sure that if the person in question had indeed taped those phone calls, they would have no issues with making them public. Respect, privacy, decency, gratitude are not present over yonder. If in doubt, go read some of the garbage written about me as being so pro-Obama that I am drinking the kool-aid. Then go read my actual writings and see if there is a serious disconnect from reality.
😀
[ed note: Damn, I thought I unposted my snark to Cannon about your expectation of a person with at least a basic level of morals on the other end of the line. I decided not to post the comment because it doesn’t do any good to take issue with that guy. He just gets more obnoxious and tries to win every argument by who can be the most persistent asshole. I mean, just try bringing up the laws of physics with him! Makes him so mad he goes postal. But instead of snapping my window closed, I hit post instead, and immediately went and hit delete comment, thinking that no one would have had time to see it. So, everybody, Larisa isn’t talking to thin air here. 😛 –99]
Joseph Cannon @ 108 said:
Okay, Joe. This is gonna be my last try. Are you just not willing or not able to read what I have now written to you about 3 times here, several times via email etc?
Who said “she had not even brought up the resolution”?!?! In my last response to you (up above, please read it), I said that the much of the deposition today revolved around the Armenian Genocide Resolution, Congressmembers and lobbyists for it and against it, etc. Yes, I’m quite certain it came up quite a bit. No, Sibel says she didn’t discuss the Congresswoman’s vote on it, since she didn’t know what that vote was.
Why is this difficult for you?
Serously. I don’t get it. Slow down, and READ. Please?
Larissa, I ignore Joe “Loose” Cannon. He’s already libeling Jane Harmon, even as he admits he can’t figure out the simplest of media research to find a congresswoman matching Sibel’s the description. Then he libels Sibel by casting doubt on her truthfulness simply because he can’t figure out.
Libeling three women, including you, in one day — is that a misogynist record?
Big Dan @ 113 asked:
Admittedly, it’s now become a very very low bar. But yes, the fact that they didn’t invoke “State secrets” and only seem to have issued a tepid “Hey – don’t do that, Sibel” in their legal maneuvers over the last two days, which seemed more CYA than anything else, is certainly a marked diff from Bush/Cheney and commendable. At least as close as we come to it these days.
Sibel’s attorney Michael Kohn noted same in his comments today, as quoted in my article above:
Thanks Cheeky:) I am used to it from him. As is Brad. In any case, I am heading out now.
Great work again Brad and Sibel. I posted it on my blog as well. Hope that gets you more eyes on it.
Night all, LA
Any videos coming?
Larisa @118 said:
Well, whether or not I know who it is, think I know who it is, etc., I’m not (at this time) certain that it makes sense to “out” her, because it’s still unclear that she was a party to any crime (other than being the victim of one, if the story now on the public record is accurate).
In fact, I’m not even sure that person even knows that she was being “hooked”. I know of no evidence publicly available yet to indicate that she knew. We’ll have to wait for the transcript to determine that, I’d think.
Hoping that makes sense. And thanks for your kind words, Larisa.
May a shield of protection surround all the good people involved, and their loved ones.
But wow, not a single MSM presence?
Anxiously awaiting the video of the deposition. When can we expect it? The sooner we get it the sooner everyone can share it on the P2P network aka torrent network. And the sooner all the doubters who jump to conclusions can shut up and see and read the actual testimony.
If it’s 2 hours I suggest it be converted to a 700 megabyte size.
If it’s 1 hour, then 350 megabytes is adequate.
An even more interesting conflict question:
An earlier post mused on the question of whether Fein might need to recuse himself because of his positions with the Turkish American establishment. I suspect not, because his role is legal, and there is unlikely to be any demand by Krikorian for his testimony as a non legal percipient witness. If there were, OEC would likely quash unless there was a compelling need for such testimony. Courts disfavor lawyer depositions, as they disturb the attorney client relationship.
However, there might be a real or potential conflict between Schmidt and some part of the TA establishment, such as the ATAA, which TALDF might represent or be part of. Schmidt almost certainly knew nothing about the TA establishment when she took it’s PAC money. To her, the PAC might have seemed like a few Turkish Americans wanting cat worst to play ethnic politics. She might be understandably pissed if nobody – like her benefactors at TALDF, for example- told her about the wider claims of espionage they were defending. If the hometown papers pick up the story that she is accused of taking T money and is represented by TA lawyers, it may harm her.
I predict she will get new lawyers, and quietly dismiss the case in a few weeks, maybe even before the video is out.
Maybe Bruce is calling Mark tonight looking for a dismissal with an agreement to seal the transcript and video.
Doubtful David would allow it. He knows he has a strong political and legal case, plus he owes release of the evidence to the memory of his grandparents generation.
Brad, I think Cannon and others are thinking too narrowly on this. I spent a lot of time poking around at Thomas and on the internet. I am certainly not willing to assume that SE is “unreliable” YGM
I just turn CNN (I have FOX blocked) and MSNBC off these days. Nothing of real importance comes over the television. God, I miss Walter Cronkite!
First Youtube video is out on this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSvlwg3F6q0
I do not like that the video did not go up right away.
That is not a good sign.
Patriot One: That’s not the deposition. That’s just VR outside the deposition, and Brad asking the questions he already reported here.
The video of the deposition itself is what most of us are wanting to see/hear.
Konstantin @ 136:
Earliest I’m hearing is Monday. Though I’ll believe that when I see it! There’s a LOT of hours there, and who knows what blockades will be put in the way of full release. I do know Sibel would like it out YESTERDAY.
That said, we’ve got some great video from in front of the NWC all day today, with all the players. Trouble editing, rendering (lots of hours), so it looks like that video is gonna have to wait until tomorrow (Sunday), rather than late tonight as we had hoped.
But, coming soon…
Anyone here ever watch Akira Kurosawa’s classic film Rashomon? I think what Sibel has said is absolutely honest and candid to the best of her ability and knowledge, but that does not necessarily mean that everything is actually true, and without some nuance or need for future qualification.
She may have misunderstood some of the documents she had access to, or did not have enough of all of the information and communications to put the information she did have as translator into proper context.
Simon, above, raises some more important issues about the prosecution of Scooter Libby relating to Valerie Plame affair that no one seems to have latched on to yet. How does what Sibel say about Brewster Jennings cover being destroyed and the CIA front dismantled well before the Plame affair square with Fitzgerald’s prosecution? According to Sibel, there logically should have been nothing to prosecute. Brewster Jennings was kaput; it no longer existed after August 2001 (and before 9/11). So what has been going on here? I think Sibel has but one piece of the whole puzzle. No one can really understand the whole picture until a number of other players voluntarily come forward, or are subpoenaed to testify, to address some apparent criminal activities that have occurred.
Brad in case you didn’t see it before, an easy to software to convert the video to a smaller size for sharing (that is after the editing is done) is Handbrake
It can be downloaded from their website
http://handbrake.fr
I haven’t used it before but I hear it’s easy to use.
For the full deposition video I suggest it be made available in a few sizes like small file sizes for Youtube and a full resolution large file size for sharing over the bitorrent network.
Thank you fellow patriots!
The risk of the true history emerging is the reason why the Armenian genocide is such a contentious issue. To understand, see the research of Christopher Jon Bjerknes. After that you’ll understand the background of the Turkish influence, and who is controlling the Turkish deep state.
ewastud: Whether Brewster Jennings was a dead letter before the Plame outing, it was still treason, and still endangering all kinds of people’s lives… anyone seen dealing with Plame-Wilson, or anyone known to associate with her while acting under that cover, even if it was years before, might very well be dead now because of it. Also operations she was known to be involved with would be shut down. All kinds of stuff.
There are several intertwined threads to the tapestry of apparent treason by Grossman and Feith, the outing of Brewster Jennings, and the bribery of Congress members by ATC. Let’s try to separate them out.
First, this is just a snapshot of a much larger, darker picture of foreign espionage and influence peddling in Washington. Sibel has certain language skills, which explains why she can tell us what she heard on the FBI wire about some of the black ops carried out by the Turks, and those who Turkish intelligence was talking to and working with, such as Pakistani ISI, the Israelis, and the American neocons.
Second, let’s not lose sight of the roles played by other partners in this network. There is a strand that extends from Feith and the OSP “cell” in Rumsfeld’s Pentagon spy shop through Larry Franklin to Naor Gilon, Mossad Chief of Station, at the Israeli Embassy. The other end of that stretches to Marc Grossman and Richard Armitage in the State Department connected to Vice President Cheney, who orchestrated many things, including the outing of Valerie Plame and the destruction of operations run by the CIA Counter-Proliferation Division (CPD). That, in turn, links in with the WMD falsification conspiracies supporting the Iraqi invasion.
This is part of something much bigger and more sinister. The FBI and NSA apparently has a lot more on tape. More will come out, but this is just the first step toward learning the awful truth. We must demand the whistleblowers be allowed to finally speak so we can hear the rest.
{Ed Note: Comment deleted. The very few rules for commenting at BRAD BLOG disallow personal attacks on other commenters, though “public figures” may be attacked. I include myself in that category, so attacks on me, for example, while likely ill-considered, are allowable. Similarly, Larisa can likely be included in that category as well. However, your comments are so inappropriate, so beyond the pale, as well as verging on wholly hijacking this comment thread, that I have removed them. As well, you have your own forum for making such inappropriate comments, and I see that you have done so there, as is your ill-considered right.
BTW, in that linked article/screed, you write, in ugly personal attack on Larisa: “I’m insulted by the suggestion that I would ever ask someone outside the family for aid.”
Really? You are? Are you sure, Joe? Is your memory really that bad? Or simply that selective? As I have suggested on several occassions to you, my friend — and I still consider you a friend, despite your outrageous and idiotic behavior towards me and so many others over the last year or two — you really need to seek some professional help. And I mean that very very sincerely. – BF}
Ugh — no video till Monday??? This is seriously distressing. We may never see her testimony….
What people have to realize, deep behind the scenes of all of this, that Germany (Former West Germany) have always had a deep relationship behind misinformation affecting Turkey’s decision making process.
Both in the late 80’s, as well as during the initial stages of the second Gulf war.
I was personally in touch with the State Dept’s Turkey desk at the time about all of this and it was quickly swept under the carpets.
But then again, that German intelligence is dictating much of the events in Turkey, no one seems to be interested in, unfortunately.
Well if you’re all through fighting about this, I thought it might be of assistance if you knew a new part of the story.
Armenian Genocide Resolution
“TUSIAD DELEGATION IN FRANCE
The Turkish Industrialists and Businessmen Association (TUSIAD) Delegation, currently in France, met with the directors of the MEDEF (Employers’ Confederation) yesterday. The recent crisis between Turkey and France due to France’s approval of the so-called Armenian genocide bill and possible ways to overcome the recent financial crisis in Turkey were among topics discussed during the meeting. Promising to convey Turkey’s views on the Armenian issue, MEDEF said it will visit Turkey during July of 2001. /Cumhuriyet/ “
http://www.byegm.gov.tr
You see the ATAA, ATC etc. has been around for quite a while. They’ve re-introduced the official resolution on the Armenian Genocide nearly every year in a different format.
Most likely that is exactly what Sibel and her colleague was referring to. Something about this is still a mystery, as every time one of these Lobby groups attempts to deny the resolution – but as you can see they also adopted it as law in California. Strange to be sure.
If the ATAA and AIPAC really work together in co-operation, then this might explain a lot regarding the revolving door enterprise of Lockheed Martin.
According to Turkish news Lockheed Martin has repeatedly gotten expanded contracts, every season, each with the same representatives assisting the hand off all the way along since year 2000. When was Grossman appointed?
This is Military Industrial Complex inc.
http://www.byegm.gov.tr/YAYINLARIMIZ/CHR/ING2001/03/23x03x01.HTM
One of a great many
Ewastud, interesting points about the Plame prosecution … and how what Sibel knows is part of a whole picture Sibel may or may not fully know or understand.
I had read that Plame hadn’t been overseas in her covert work for some years — with inference from her that it was because her twins were young and inference from the right that she was no longer a NOC — but the Fitsgerald prosecution proved she was still a NOC on duty to serve in covert operations.
But, this information gives me some satisfaction to my wonder why Fitzgerald investigated only the outing of Plame and not her cover company, which Novak revealed in a second column a week after he outed her. Few ever mention the outing of B-J and the deaths I’ve heard at least one former CIA say are known to have occurred as a result of it. Now I can understand that complexity better, with this information Sibel reportedly revealed yesterday.
Why does the sex scandal always take center stage? Diversion. There are far more threatening compromises of government officials and Larissa has done her part (regrettably) to mask the underlying source (see Amdocs, Comverse Infosys). Since the (s)election, she has, more or less, abandoned her commendable effort regarding Siegleman and taken up more troubling causes. By the way, I credit Putin, et al with preventing WWIII. The only reason I continue to bookmark her blog is for Jeff Huber posts.
Ewastud and Cheeky, I was wondering about the same thing.
“Novak has nothing to do with it. Wilson has nothing to do with it. Valerie Plame has nothing to do with it. The whole operation has to do with something totally different and it had to do with the American Turkish Council and the Turkish clients who were about to hire Brewster Jennings as an analyst … and Grossman found out about it, and tipped off his diplomatic contact who was a target of the FBI counter-intelligence, and that person notified the ISI [Pakistani intelligence agency], etc.”
She says that Brewster Jenning was then “dismantled as soon as the FBI notified the CIA,” after which “FBI requested CIA to do a damage assessment, to see if lives would be lost.”
All of this, she re-iterated, was “long before, three years before,” Novak outed Valerie Plame as a CIA operative in his newspaper column.
Brewster Jennings was “absolutely” dismantled in August of 2001.
This from an earlier Bradblog post:
When Raines expressed to Plame Wilson during today’s interview that he felt the allegations bear further investigation she said again, “I agree! It is stunning,” adding, “It’s a very frustrating period…I don’t have any terrific suggestions on how to get this story played in the United States.”
When asked about the allegations that Grossman outed her covert Brewster Jennings network, she said she was unable to speak to those charges.
“Not only can I say, ‘no comment,’ but I mean ‘no comment’ because I don’t know anything to add to it,” she claimed. “Certainly during the run-up to the war and until I was outed, I was focused almost to the exclusion of anything else on just trying to run safe and effective operations, trying to figure out what the hell was going on in Iraq, what were the scientists, what were they doing, where were their secret sites.”
https://bradblog.com/?p=5685
Plame doesn’t deny the existence of Brewster-Jennings in her answers.
– Tom
Sexual Blackmail schemes?
Gee, how many times over the past few years have I said that!? All of that ties directly back to those who have vast access to wiretap every phone line in the US – anytime they choose – all of which terminates in Tel Aviv.
ISRAEL BLACKMAILS THE UNITED STATES USING SEXUAL BLACKMAIL
http://plungerspeaks.blogspot.com/
Google Sexpionage
Google Kobi Alexander
Google Comverse
Google Dov Zakheim
Now that you know how evil they are, isn’t it time to assume the absolute worst of them for committing the ultimate crime on US Soil in our nation’s history?
True, the congresswoman’s alleged subjugation by blackmail likely isn’t criminal on her part, but it is unethical to vote based on self-interest.
Moveover, it raises suspicion about what “dirt” the Turks have on every politician who has “changed his/her mind” about acknowledging the Armenian genocide or even scheduling a vote on the biennial resolution.
The fact the Turks find an innocuous, nonbinding US House resolution about century-old history such a threat raises a red flag as to what is really behind it all. It almost always is in the money, or, to steal the cliche movie line: “Follow the money.”
Big Dan’s got the scoop on the Sexpionage angle and wiretaps for foreign powers
http://bigdanblogger.blogspot.com/2009/06/israeli-wiretappers-nsa-and-911-are.html
Remember the recent “poke party scandal” at the Watergate a couple years ago where government and military officials were caught red-handed with hookers?
Of course you don’t. The story was killed by the blackmailers, who coincidentally control the mainstream media and the wiretaps.
That’s how it works, folks.
Media ownership study ordered destroyed
Sept 14, 2006
‘Every last piece’ destroyed
Adam Candeub, now a law professor at Michigan State University, said senior managers at the agency ordered that “every last piece” of the report be destroyed. “The whole project was just stopped – end of discussion,” he said. Candeub was a lawyer in the FCC’s Media Bureau at the time the report was written and communicated frequently with its authors, he said.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14836500/
“You can’t tell any more the difference between what’s propaganda and what’s news.”
FCC Commissioner Jonathan Adelstein
15 August, 2006
MSM silence still deafening.
The reason that it’s impossible to define where one conspiracy ends and another begins, is that it’s all the same conspiracy, actually an “agenda,” led by David Rockefeller and his New World Order peers and surrogates. It’s too big to comprehend, by design.
For anyone who wants to know the truth, all the links are provided here:
http://seminal.firedoglake.com/diary/3820
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20090104025547844
For those who simply don’t want to know, please have the courtesy to remain silent (rather than swiftboating the messengers) while the patriots continue to do the hard work and take the essential risks necessary to jam the evidence down the throats of the Mainstream (controlled) Media until they choke on it.
No it didn’t. not even close did Fitzgerald prove this.
One of the sad parts of this is that sexual orientationaht really shouldn’t matter in the first place. If Americans could get their heads out of their collective a…., this couldn’t be used as leverage against otherwise honorable people. Sure, cheating on a spouse is nasty but it has nothing to do with the task at hand. Neither does bisexuality or homosexuality. That being said, the congresswoman being “protected” is probably a progressive, and for that reason.
This OpEd is worth reading:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/09/opinion/09rich.html
– Tom
S’true .. if this isn’t a story what is!
The MSMs complete lack of interest absolutely proves just how far these industries are degraded and controlled. In the old days, we always laughed about Pravda. These days we cry over the loss of the free American press.
Good thing that blogs and alternative news are still interested in truth!
99 is right Cannon. Laws of physics. Its pretty simple. Or you can keep buying the official conspiracy theory like a lemming. Hell, if its good enough for Maher and Chomsky eh?
If towers are proven to have fallen due to thermate explosions, and the media fails to report on the cause, did it happen?
Plunger, If you blindly trust the media and its 6 or so parent companies like some here apparently do I suppose not….
AE911truth.org (over 700 members and counting. How many did NIST pay to vouch for their incomplete “investigation”?)
From infowars.com Aug 9th:
Google and Blogger Shut Down Sibel Edmonds’ Blog
…Google also shut down the blog of Sibel Edmonds last week. Edmonds is a former FBI translator and founder of the National Security Whistleblowers Coalition. Edmonds is fighting efforts by the FBI and the Department of Justice to prevent her from testifying in a case of alleged election fraud.
Keepgater, when you posted the below:
Were you sniffing glue? If it was not for me, you would not know who Siegelman is. I did not abandon him. I expanded my coverage to include Paul Minor, Oliver Diaz, John Whitfield, Wes Teel, and others politically prosecuted. I have spent two years of my life trying to help these people. Not to mention that I have gone deeper into the DOJ corruption scandal via my series on corporations buying the law. And you? What did you do in the last year? Just curious.
BTW, you need not drag your knuckles all the way over to my blog just to read Jeff. He has his own called Pen and Sword. That way, you don’t have to go through the trouble of looking for his posts only.
I understand your urge to defend your pal who is obsessed and unhinged. But at least stick to the facts and when possible, say thank you to those actually doing the work you get to comment on.
LA
Agent,
Ya, “thin air” continues to prove my point about obsession. Check out his blog today.
LA
COMVERSE & KOBI ALEXANDER:
Kobi Alexander is the founder of the Israeli high-tech company Comverse and is wanted by the FBI for alleged financial wrongdoings. After fleeing the law in the US, Alexander was found and arrested in the African country of Namibia and has posted bail.
Cheney effectively has him right where he wants him, and despite being wanted here in the US, the US Government is clearly in no hurry to get him back here. Gee, I wonder why?
The U.S. wants Alexander to face charges related to stock-option backdating, including conspiracy, securities fraud, making false filings to U.S. regulators and money laundering.
SO WHAT DID KOBI HAVE TO DO WITH WARRANTLESS WIRETAPPING?
WHAT DID KOBI HAVE TO DO WITH 9/11?
ASK FOX NEWS:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7545.htm
And this official DEA report:
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/deareportisraelispying.html
Kobi Alexander should be arrested and interrogated about his knowledge of the events of 9/11. His company acquired the other Mossad firm, Odigo, shortly after it was revealed that Odigo employees had been forewarned of the attacks on the World Trade Center.
Kobi and Dov Zakheim. Why are they free?
http://www.thehallofinfamy.org/blog/?p=9
So, to be clear, Clinton can fly to N. Korea to secure the release of two alleged spies, but the United States is powerless to secure the extradition of Kobi Alexander for trial here in the US from the likes of Namibia, of all places?
Sure, you bet.
Got Blackmail?
Timber @ 162 said:
Yes. It did. And as that information is clearly on the record, over and over again, you will either post actual EVIDENCE for your claim, or you will not be allowed to post here, since KNOWING propaganda is disallowed under the very few rules we have for commenting here at The BRAD BLOG.
Now you know, so knock it off. Thanks!
DoJ Puppets
The ‘Fed’
Anthrax
AIPAC
9/11
Oh, my, I can see I picked the good day to try to sleep off the flu!
Larisa @ 172… I’m afraid to look.
And, I think your singing @ 121 was right up there with Pavarotti.
We all screamed our heads off when it was * and Fudd and Ashcroft and Gonzo doing it, but now that it’s Obama and Holder, not so much. Not not-at-all, but too many of us are still hoping against hope… Peter B’s and Sibel’s Boiling Frogs thing… while Obama turns up the heat on our big pot full of deluded partisans. They keep asking if we’re boiling yet. We’re boiling, but everybody keeps answering that we will be if Obama doesn’t snap out of it soon.
I gotta say it’s more like we will be boiled beyond recognition if he doesn’t snap out of it soon. This completely disinterested in justice DoJ is one of the hallmarks of frank fascism, so we are already boiling and our brains are too hot to throw off our conditioning, our delusion. So I deeply appreciate when people manage to cut through all the benighting opinions and strategies and propaganda to STATE this stuff. Music. It makes music here.
Einstein was once asked how he knew he was on the right track with his theories, and he replied, “Truth makes music.” That was precisely right. Precisely.
Some things worth Googling:
Dov Zakheim,9/11,SPC
Anthrax,Philip Zack,Israel
Urban Moving Systems,Dominic Suter,9/11
Art Student Israeli spy ring
“missing” 2.3 trillion,Sept.10-2001 announcement
Cynthia McKinney grills Rumsfeld and Myers about 9/11 wargames,Dyncorp
Theres a lot more to 9/11 than the obvious CD.And Sibel, god love her, doesnt know the half of it obviously.
So, what I got here is that one guy has flipped his lid (already knew that) and that Denny Hastert is a cross-dressing female Democrat, I figured that also since that porker wouldn’t know what he has down there because its probably been forever since he has last seen it..,Good work all you guys.
P.S. to Plunger, that’s why I like that doc “Fabled Enemies”, it seems to put a lot of this stuff together
Agent,
Go look. It is really funny actually and it proves the whole gone off the cliff obsession thing I have mentioned. Would a person NOT obsessed devote that much font attacking me? Also, the comments are great because yet another psycho (actually this guy has been stalking me all over the net) is claiming that I am part of a left wing terrorist network (with Brad too).
Want to join our secret cult? You get a free decoder ring.
i think that Coleen Rowley and Karen Kwiatkowski could add a lot more info to this whole convoluted story.
thank you to Brad, Lukery, and Larissa — and many more.
I already got my KAOS decoder ring Larissa.
Without looking, is the stalkers handle Socrates by any chance?
Oh! A decoder ring! I’m a sap for decoder rings! Especially if it’s a decoder ring ring so I can have it on me at all times!
Acutally, I mustered the moxie to take a quick look earlier, including a scan of the comments, and, yep, you nailed it.
Just tell me what to do. I’ll do anything for a decoder ring! The FBI reneged on their promise to give me one when I gave them the goods on some Wall Street criminals years ago — the ingrates! — and I haven’t stopped pouting about it in all this time.
Flo, that’s not the handle he’s using over there, but it’s very clearly him.
LUKE or BRAD……..
I politely took Clemons to task for remaining mute in the face of Sibel’s earthshattering testimony. You can read the exchange here…
http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/2009/08/the_final_hachi/#comments
I was very suprised when Steve responded, (as you will see if you visit the exchange), with the following comment….
“Sibel Edmond pissed me off incredibly on one occasion in a way that made me unwilling to go near anything she says. I’m just not interested any longer, though i tried to be at one point — in part because of your prodding.”
“I won’t write about her and her case again until I see something completely fresh and new about her case that does not emanate from her. best, steve” (end quote)
I’m curious what happened. Can you shed some light on this, or perhaps Sibel can respond? Its inexplicable to me that personalities could clash so severely that Steve would respond in such a manner. I have a great deal of respect for Steve, and his response troubles me. Any idea what transpired?
This is far too epic an issue for personalities to come into play. Unless Sibel is lying through her teeth, which I strongly doubt, her allegations surpass the Watergate affair in their import, and are even of greater gravity than the Watergate affair and the Downing Street memo revelations combined. What the hell transpired with Clemons? Can Sibel and Steve get past it so that the issue recieves Steve’s attention, and, hopefully, exposure on his blog??
Actually, maybe you don’t want me in yer cult. 🙁
I have this habit of colorful speech with the frequent vivid inclusion of violence words and the liberal/progressive use of the shocking eff-word, which upsets people, or so I’m told, despite my having taken the bodhisattva vow, despite everyone toward whom I have directed my bloody language having lived to tell the tale. So, I might blow yer cover, get you in more trouble.
But, dang, a decoder ring!
On the plus side, I am the perfect covert op because I’m such a non-journalistically-inclined loose cannon [no pun intended] that nobody would ever suspect me.
xoxox
Flo,
That is the guy. He has been banned from every single forum because he literally is claiming that I am part of a terrorism ring, that I am a double agent working for the CIA or some intel service, that I am trying to destroy the Dem party, and that terrorism funds Raw Story. Oh, and Brad is also part of this ring as are a whole bunch of people who seem to be randomly selected from a lefty whose who (me, Brad, Kos, Cindy Sheen, etc.)
If you read the comments, he is the same guy posting over and over pretending to agree with himself about me and how evil I am. The fact that the “thin air” guy is allowing those comments on his blog speaks volumes as to the level of insanity we are dealing with here.
Oh wait, I forgot the part where I am a shill for the Zionists as part of my secret terrorism ops.
I should note that he is not the “stalker” mentioned earlier in this thread by “thin air.” I was able to discuss that situation a while back and I did so with a good many people as I was afraid for my life. But now that he has been arrested, I have been asked to not discuss the case. Suffice it to say the level of hate crimes and the politics of hate is frightening.
Agent,
You are more than welcome into this club that Brad and I have found ourselves in. Just a caveat though, do you really want people calling you a terrorist, a Zionist shill, and worse? If yes, then you have earned not only a decoder ring, but a free toaster too. 😀
I’m pretty desperate for my very own decoder ring! 😛
Gads, what a bunch of horseshit. Its fairly obvious that this “agent 99” jackass and Larisa are purposely flooding this thread with crap in an effort to discourage serious debate or information gathering.
And it works. I’m outta here.
Oh, darn.
Agent, looks like the clever PissedOffAmerican figured it all out. Darn Darn!! Now what will we do? Run!!! 😀
I know! I’ve been sitting here sobbing and flogging myself, between bonbons, for having stifled serious debate about Sibel’s character. I mean, how can we call ourselves decent people when we won’t speculate that she’s just been lying all this time, ripping off serious journalists with her wild self-aggrandizing tales! We should be ashamed of ourselves for coming in and purposely trying to scare off persons of good will! Yes, we should! Just a couple more batty broads wasting everyone’s time….
Imagine! This whole time, serious journalists have stayed off this story because Sibel Edmonds pissed them off! OMG! I feel like such an asshat for not guessing.
I could just die of embarrassment.
At first glance I’m going to go ahead and agree with pissedoffamerican. Dismissive insults and mockery do not have the ring of truth, and Agent and Larisa seem to be wallowing in that. Not to mention being dismissive of Israeli/Zionist influence in american political discourse tends to be a tell tale sign of someone that’s peddling a bag of poo poo.
Surely intelligence agencies would never sink so low as to manipulate a debate, right guys?
Oh, whew, Larisa! Thank goodness. We didn’t drive them all off! Gos is here to save the day.
You busted me, Gos! I only pose as a blogger for Palestine so I can shill for the Zionists more cleverly. Brad and Larisa and I are actually SMERSH agents who put up the Zionist Shill front so that we can better abandon innocents to the murderating fucks of the world.
I am going to get my decoder ring very soon. I can just feel it.
Yeah, 99 is a shill.
Larisa’s a shill, too. It’s because they’re women. Women are shills!
🙂
We need to dig deeper into Agent 99 & Larisa…where’s Greg Palast when ya need him???
And WE have decoder rings! 😛
Eat yer heart out, Danny!
I wonder if Greg would marry me and take me away from all this….?
99 is an anarchist, she’s against everything.
I really am against almost everything nowadays… but… well… almost everything is awful… so….
I’m very pro-Big Dan… and decoder rings… and Glenn Greenwald and Jeremy Scahill and Christopher Walken…. So I’m not a total nihilist!
It could be worse….
Do not fear 99, I have alerted the directorate that we are on our way with our handy dandy decoder rings, matching Zionist logo t-shirts, and in the company of Palast, who in due course will be recruited into the secret X unit. Danny can come too, but he has to first agree to …oh, I can’t say it. It is so secret that I will have to send him smoke signals in order to convey it.
In short, 99, grab your hat and meet me at that place, near that thing, over by that building.
10-4 Good buddy!
Check. That building it is! The manual says today’s password is Elephant Dung In The Bathtub, and the countersign is Not If You Want To Keep Dancing… right? Well, of course, and I’ll be there with bells on, and my hat.
Too much inanity, even for a dead thread.
This last series of posts sounds more like bored housewives who’ve indulged in too many martinis.
I’m sure Sibel is impressed.
[other than that, great work Brad/Luke/Sibel — I hope the video is forthcoming]
What a load of garbage….
Larisa, Agent 99 and the rest aren’t Zionist shills….
And they certainly aren’t corporate shills.
If they were why the heck would they go out of their way to help Glenn Greenwald and the like?
Also just to be on topic here, that doesn’t mean they can just accept every single statement said about the Zionist conspiracy, or about the military industrial complex and Department of Defense, without it being thoroughly checked out first just to make sure it isn’t a setup….
Surely none of you would accept something on someone’s word alone, would you…..especially if someone you knew was accused of a crime?
Here is again another piece of the puzzle, mostly criminal activity, for everyone to mull over…
From Kommersant
Look up Baku-Ceyhan trans corridor pipeline project commonly referred to as “Pipelineistan”
These wars without end have been about much more than some land for the Zionist block, it’s been about large scale energy corridors from Georgia, to Turkey, to Israel. The same folks profiting off these wars are the ones who accused Russia of hate crimes when they dared to kick the Georgians out of their city and step on British Petroleum’s toes….
Poor POA and Rosebud – that decoder ring envy can be utterly crippling (if you don’t think so, consider what it’s done to Joey Bananas Cannon, that dood who has repealed the laws of physics). Ladies, go ahead and enjoy your decoder rings – but remember, a mind reader has no trouble with such such…
[ed note: Come join us, Bippy! We could use a mind reader! –99]
PissedOffAmerican @ 185:
I have no idea what happened between Sibel and Steve. Hadn’t heard about whatever the conflict was. I join you in respect him, of course, and hope the on-the-record information he now has to go on (or, at least, will once the depo transcript and/or video is available) will allow him to work on corroborating (or disputing/debunking) her info.
Much of it, of course, has already been corroborated by other folks. One of the best examples is the Sunday Times of London’s extraordinary series on her nuclear secrets allegations. They managed to find both documents and other intelligence agents who were able to corroborate a good deal of the claims “emanating from Edmonds” on that.
But where he wrote to you that he “won’t write about her and her case again until I see something completely fresh and new about her case that does not emanate from her.” … well, as she was one of very few who were at the center of this (while not being criminally involved), and as most of the others are either criminally involved (so unlikely to talk about it) or still under non-disclosure agreements, or otherwise bound to not release classified information, etc., it seems unlikely that there will be many sources discussing these cases without them having “emanated from” the allegations on the record by Sibel.
Long, run-on sentence, but I hope you get the point. It’s up to Steve, of course, what he wishes to cover. But I’d agree it would be a shame if he allowed a personal tiff (or whatever happened) to avoid looking into what could be the story (stories?) of the century, and digging around for others willing to corroborate. They are out there. As mentioned, London’s Sunday Times was able to find ’em.
I note, however (without having spoken to either Steve or Sibel about it), that whatever objection he has seems to be personal, as he did not seem to challenge her *credibility*, or allege she was a liar, etc.
Feel free to let Steve know I’d be more than happy to talk with him, help out however I can, if he wishes to touch base with me off record, off line, etc.
Summary of Turkish News – 2001
Any new word on the vids?
Brad, why are you allowing these overgrown children to takeover and divert discussion in the comments area? Seems like a good way to turn your site into an irreverent zone……
er, what we have here is a couple of cases of the dreaded Decoder Ring Envy.
I’ll wait for the next chapter when “Sibel Edmonds Spills the Beans” and I won’t hold my breath.
Ross: Irreverent, that’s for sure. Hey 99, I can see right through your invite: you won’t even have to spring for a Decoder Ring. I should face it, I’m just a cheap date to you two…
Yes Larissa, I remember your other stalker now, the one that would say he knew where you lived and stuff I wouldn’t repeat in the old comments section at Raw a year or two back.
Sorry for stealing yer envy line Czar, funny, musta been on the same wavelength for a sec.
Envy? Nah, I’ve had my Jonny Quest decoder ring ever since the mid-60’s when I got my PF Flyers. Cipher away!
[calls for less silliness are not personal attacks nor a critique on motives — sometimes a cigar is just a cigar]
Back on topic, I hope that Steve can get beyond whatever it is (good luck with that Brad) — this needs as much exposure as possible.
Too bad Air America is no longer relevant. I bet this would have played well on Morning Sedition.
Then again, AAR was mostly preaching to the choir. In the face of a complicit MSM, this needs to go viral. Video clips of the more sensational facts would help get it started.
Hey Flo, no prob! Every time I post a brilliant comment here I expect, well, to be honest, I hope, that someone will appropriate it. Now I have to get back to that irreverent translation I’m working on…
Ha, could be that I read your joke unconsciously and repeated it.
BTW there is a guy named Edwin over at C&L that just moved from S.E. Asia to Prague, mebbe yew should talk at him.
http://crooksandliars.com/bluegal/open-thread-218#comment-1237026
Thanks Brad. I’ll email your comment to Steve.
CAP’N CRUNCH decoder rings? I still gots mine!!!
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… Larisa Alexandrovna said on 8/9/2009 @ 10:20 pm PT…
…Danny can come too, but he has to first agree to …oh, I can’t say it. It is so secret that I will have to send him smoke signals in order to convey it.
Larisa: no need for smoke rings, I gots my CAP’N CRUNCH decoder ring, still from the 70’s, still works! It was the CRUNCHBERRY edition…
Thanks, Flo! We’ll see if I get a response. BD: What’s the big deal? I knew you had that ring all along…
Go Sibel.the MSM will not touch this. Why?
“The whole operation has to do with something totally different and it had to do with the American Turkish Council and the Turkish clients who were about to hire Brewster Jennings as an analyst … and Grossman found out about it, and tipped off his diplomatic contact who was a target of the FBI counter-intelligence, and that person notified the ISI [Pakistani intelligence agency], etc.”
Just like the MSM would not touch the Aipac investigation and 9 time delayed and finally dismissed trial.
The MSM is shut down
Fascinating to look for any of the major bloggers reporting about Sibel’s testimony on Saturday.
Nothing by Jane, EW, Christy, Spencer, (and they are all top notch yet not sure why nothing written by them about this) Interesting. What is up with the Main stream bloggers. Why are they avoiding writing this up?
0 at Huffington Post (hmmm)
0 at Raw Story
0 at Crooks and Liars (to be expected)
When Sibel can not get any coverage for her stance by the MSM and many of the mainstream bloggers. Really telling
I don’t know what the wow is about.
What’s the story?
Who did what when?
Any videos posted yet? Is there a better place to get up to date info on the release of the vids?
With these totally unnecessary delays, I can’t help but wonder if some agency is going to stop the distribution thru bribery, court order, violence or some other scenario.
WTF is wrong with this country? This is ten times bigger than Watergate. Why isn’t this info in front of *everyone* in the US???
This would probably explain why most mainstream bloggers don’t want to touch this with a ten foot pole……
Wars Without End = Wars for Israel Also
It may be ten times bigger than watergate, but you can always count on the “main stream media” online also……to be extremely late to the game because they don’t like touching that thorny issue due to the “extremities” issued by Israel & their allies whenever any sort of criticism…..even valid, vital criticism is levied in any shape or form against them…..
“Police State” is what this country is.
Right On
Tunga has PF Flyers and they help him run faster and jump higher.
All the better to see WTF is going on in this crazy mixed up world.
Thanks Sibel and Brad and all you other crazys out there resuscitating the Republic.
We will prevail and the enemy will be destroyed. Totally.
Marc Grosman and Dick Armitage: Your country called and said your hanging is being scheduled. Please dress accordingly.
Thanks,
Tunga from downtown tungatown.
A few comments wonder whether Sibel Edmonds put herself at risk of prosecution. This assumes that Sibel, during the course of her testimony, revealed classified material.
Ms. Edmonds is represented by a very competent lawyer. She is an exceedingly bright individual. I am fairly confident that she did not stray into revealing classified material.
The fact that her testimony was “explosive” does not mean that it was classified. And, as I pointed out in an earlier post, if the DoJ had truly felt she could not testify, they could easily of intervened and moved to quash the deposition subpoena.
Given what is already known through secondary sources, it is now vital that the transcript of Ms. Edmonds testimony be released to the media.
Tunga — I’m assuming you mean after a trial and the usual appeals process, as opposed to a lynch mob, because inciting violence here is not okay.
Bippy — We need you to translate our decodes for us! And think of all the time you and Flo could save us with yer mind reading!
Ernie — I think some people are worried that the gag order makes classified anything she says, and since the new administration has followed right on through with so many of the travesties of the last administration, no wonder everyone is worried.
We were all expecting relief. 🙁
What we really need is for the International Criminal Court to get involved in prosecuting these drug smuggling, nuclear black marketing criminals. All of them.
Sibel should go before the ICC and spill it all. Everything she knows.
99 – Tunga thought there already was a trial and he has seen Armitage admit to releasing the info on TV.
Whats the hold up?
May his victims rest in peace.
Tunga — The hold up would seem to be our new president… or whoever’s giving him his orders. A bunch of these felons, and worse than felons, have confessed on TV. Now we just need a Justice Department that will prosecute them, or at LEAST extradite them for prosecution. Our government is broken.
Completely.
Simply beautiful, Brad! Let’s see what comes of this.
Belay that order!!! [ed note: Belayed. –99]
Citizenspook says he hasn’t had access to his blog since feb 17 07.
Sorry for the confusion.
http://naturalborncitizen.wordpress.com/2009/06/15/my-citizenspook-blog-has-been-hacked-again/
These developments are too far-reaching, too explosive, and by now, too widely communicated for the corporate-owned mainstream media to ignore. They will report it all right.
WOW!
Well folks, don’t get too excited just yet. We *still* don’t have the deposition 3 days after the fact.
Is the deposition going to be released? Where’s the beef?
Doe anyone know the name(s), address, phone numbers and email addresses of the people that have physical custody of Sibel’s testimony?
Jim @ 237 asked:
That’s what we’ve been told from day 1. That said, see my “Status Update” report (just updated again) on the current process of obtaining the complete video/transcript.
Thanks for the link to the Turkish Coalition of America piece, Sibel. It’s remarkable how they could set forth an article as lengthy as any posted here by Brad on this subject, yet fail to so much as allude to any of the “bombshells†Brad covered on the day of the deposition.
Ernest A. Canning
Well, it’s now August 14 and it’s sure beginning to look like the gov is up to their old games with Sibel’s new testimony.
It’s really remarkable that some of our people still believe we live in a free country.
Well, it’s now August 19 and we still don’t have Sibel’s testimony. Real big surprise huh?
Sibel, the words “Thank You” does not even come close to payment for the debt this nation owes you. At this point, I would beg you to keep up the fight and release everything you know to the internet. Every ….. single ….. thing.
Otherwise this “government” will continue to hide their criminal conduct with gags and security classifications. And that means the destruction of what little remains of our once great nation. These criminals are vermin — it’s time to treat them appropriately.