— Special to The BRAD BLOG by Steve Heller of Velvet Revolution
At a press conference this morning in Columbus, Ohio, Cliff Arnebeck, lead attorney for the plaintiffs in the case of King Lincoln Bronzeville v. Blackwell, announced that he is filing a motion to “lift the stay in the case [and] proceed with targeted discovery in order to help protect the integrity of the 2008 election.”
Courtesy of our colleagues at Velvet Revolution, you can watch the entire press conference here, and an interview with Cliff Arnebeck and Bob Fitrakis is here.
Arnebeck will also “be providing copies of document hold notices to the U.S. Chamber Institute for Legal Reform and the U.S. Justice Department for Karl Rove emails from the White House.”
See PDFs of the hold letter to AG Mukasey here, the hold letter to the U.S. Chamber here, and the motion to lift the stay here.
This case has the potential to put some of the most powerful people in the country in jail, according to Arnebeck, as he was joined by a well-respected, life-long Republican computer security expert who charged that the red flags seen during Ohio’s 2004 Presidential Election would have been cause for “a fraud investigation in a bank, but it doesn’t when it comes to our vote.”
“This entire system is being programmed in secret by programmers who have no oversight by anybody,” the expert charged, as Arnebeck detailed allegations of complicity by a number of powerful GOP operatives and companies who had unique access both to the election results as reported in 2004, as well as to U.S. House and Senate computer networks even today.
The presser was attended by some of the corporate-controlled media, including the head of the Ohio AP bureau, the Columbus Dispatch, and IndyMedia. Listening in by phone were ABC News, our friends from RAW STORY, and I, your humble blogger. I recorded the presser, so I have no links for the quotes in this post, but I transcribed them word-for-word and can vouch for their accuracy.
One of the more delightful and interesting quotes comes from Arnebeck, concerning what he expects to discover as the stay is lifted: “[W]e anticipate Mr. Rove will be identified as having engaged in a corrupt, ongoing pattern of corrupt activities specifically affecting the situation here in Ohio.”
According to Arnebeck, his expert witness, Stephen Spoonamore, “works for credit card companies chasing data thieves, identity thieves around the globe, and also consults with government agencies including the Secret Service, the Pentagon, and the Federal Bureau of Investigation in criminal matters. [He’s] really one of the top, and in fact the top private cop in the world on the subject of data security.”
First, some background. The King Lincoln Bronzeville v. Blackwell case was filed on August 31, 2006. At issue was “whether the rights, privileges, and immunities guaranteed to Plaintiffs by the Civil Rights Act, and the First, Thirteenth, Fourteenth, and Fifteenth Amendments to the U.S. Constitution have been violated by the past and ongoing conduct of Secretary of State J. Kenneth Blackwell in connection with past elections in Ohio.”
A stay was previously entered into on joint motion of the parties, Ohio’s Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner and the plaintiffs, to support settlement discussions in the case. “At one point,” Arnebeck noted this morning, “this was interrupted when the Secretary wanted to bring all the ballots that had been ordered preserved by Judge Marbley, bring them in to one location. When the ballots came in, there was significant omissions and reports of the destruction of some of the ballots.”
The BRAD BLOG reported previously on some of some of the ballots missing from 56 of Ohio’s 88 counties, despite the federal court order.
Arnebeck explained that part of the reason for the stay, at the time, was to allow the Ohio Attorney General to proceed first, as provided in Ohio House Bill 3 which states, in part:
Arnebeck said that the Attorney General’s office said they were ready to begin the investigation of the 2004 presidential election in Ohio, and Arnebeck said he submitted a great deal of material to them, including “Bob’s [Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman’s] book on what happened in Ohio, documentation of the exit poll discrepancy, [and] John Conyers’ report to the Congress which was the factual basis for the challenge to the electoral votes of the Ohio vote in January of 2005.”
About a month later, the Attorney General’s office contacted Arnebeck and asked him, “Who do you want to indict?”
Arnebeck explained that the AG’s “concept of looking at this from a criminal standpoint was not to convene a grand jury and cast the net broadly and use the grand jury process to investigate and narrow the focus into the question of who may have tampered with those votes. But rather they wanted us to come to them with a more focused case.”
Arnebeck then informed the AG that they were going to file the motion to lift the stay so that the plaintiffs “could proceed with the civil case in order to collect discovery to do that” and create a more focused case.
Fitrakis, who was also at today’s presser, said that early on they went to Washington and met with the House Judiciary staff who agreed to come to Ohio in early March of 2007. Fitrakis informed Ohio’s then-Attorney General Mark Dann’s office, but the office never got back to them.
Arnebeck also explained that he met with Conyers within the last two weeks. He made the Chair of the House Judiciary Committee aware of what they have: new resources and information, and the assistance of Spoonamore to help the state of Ohio, the Congress, and the court understand what needs to be done to help secure the 2008 election.
Also, Arnebeck has sent out document “hold” notices. A hold notice is, essentially, a letter sent to the parties of a lawsuit informing them of their legal obligation to hold on to (and not destroy) all relevant documents, including electronic documents such as emails, pending the outcome of the suit.
Hold letters have been sent to the Ohio Chamber of Commerce, asking them to hold documents relating to their activities to use corporate money to influence the Ohio Supreme Court elections. Another hold letter was sent to U.S. Attorney General Michael Mukasey asking that he advise the federal government to hold emails from Karl Rove.
Arnebeck said “We think [Rove] is an individual who has been at the center of both the use of corporate money to attack state Attorneys General and their elections and candidates for the Supreme Court and their elections in the states, and also in the manipulation of the election process.
“We expressed concern about the reports that Mr. Rove destroyed his emails and suggested that we want the duplicates that should exist [to be put] under the control of the Secret Service and be sure that those are retained, as well as those on the receiving end in the Justice Department and elsewhere, that those documents are retained for purposes of this litigation, in which we anticipate Mr. Rove will be identified as having engaged in a corrupt, ongoing pattern of corrupt activities specifically affecting the situation here in Ohio.”
Arnebeck said they are prepared “to go after the issues of election integrity in a very targeted way, as opposed to a casting of a fishing net. We’re able to do some ‘rifle shots.'”
Along those lines, Arnebeck plans to subpoena and depose GOP operative Michael (Mike) L. Connell, who as described by SourceWatch, is….
New Media’s GOP clients are a “‘Who’s Who’ of Republican politics”, having provided campaign web services and Internet strategy for Bush-Cheney 2000/2004, as well as Republicans such as Dick Armey, Spencer Abraham for Senate 2000, Heather Wilson for Congress 2000/2002/2004, Rick Santorum for Senate 2000/2006, and John Thune for Senate 2002/2004 to name just a few. New Media also designed GOP.com for the Republican National Committee, RGA.org for the Republican Governors Association, and between two and three dozen state GOP sites.
According to Arnebeck, Connell “[D]esigns websites and he manages the information technology. Interestingly, he’s done this for the Bush campaign of 2000 and the Bush campaign of 2004. Simultaneously, he was doing IT work for the State of Florida in 2000, and for the office of the [Ohio] Secretary of State in 2004.
“And just think of this: here’s a person who is an instrument of a major presidential campaign simultaneously setting up the hosting of the votes in the Ohio election.”
Arnebeck added: “We’re not saying that he [Connell] did anything wrong in the sense of his conduct, but we’re saying that these conflicting roles raise some issues.”
According to Arnebeck, “Mr. Connell also worked with the various front groups for the US Chamber, tobacco industry front groups, and starting in 2000 after the New Hampshire primary, there was an unleashing of a variety of these Washington-based lobbying groups that created these phony grass-roots groups that attack candidates, supposedly independently. We believe there is clear evidence of a coordinated campaign in which Mr. Rove is involved, in which Mr. Connell is an instrument. And this emphasizes his value of a witness in bringing some of this together.”
Indeed, Arnebeck believes that Connell’s role in the suit, at least at first, will be that of a witness. “He, by virtue of his involvement in a variety of these roles that we’re concerned with — as a witness, he can provide a perspective. He’s the one person who can bring a great deal of information together to better inform folks of what happened and what some of the vulnerabilities are and where some of the data security breaches may have occurred.”
One of the more frightening aspects of Connell’s work is that his company, Gov Tech Solutions, was the first private company to be allowed to put servers behind the firewall of the Congressional computer systems. This led to him creating and managing several powerful Committee IT networks, including those for the House Intelligence Committee, the Ways and Means Committee, the Judiciary Committee, the Ethics Committee, and the House Committee on Rules. Of course, it is completely possible that the firewall could have been created with secret security gaps that can be exploited to hack into any congressional computer. If that has happened, every computer in any senate or congressional office is subject to hacking by Bush/Republican operatives.
Currently, Connell is running the IT operations for the McCain campaign. Isn’t that a comforting thought…
Expert advisor Stephen Spoonamore, who among other things designs and runs computer programs to analyze and detect fraudulent financial activity for the world’s leading credit card companies, said, “You cannot secure electronic voting. You set up a bunch of grandmothers to put together a bunch of computers once every two years, basically those machines are architected in such a manner to maximize their capacity [for] fraud.
“In the 2004 election, from my perspective, on any of the programs we run for any of my credit card clients, the results from the 14 counties, those are the sort of results that would instantaneously launch a credit card fraud investigation or a banking settlement investigation.”
Spoonamore’s reference to the “14 counties” refers to the so-called “Connelly Anomaly” in which down-ticket candidates got more votes than John Kerry. The name comes from the candidacy of C. Ellen Connelly, an African-American woman who was running for the Ohio Supreme Court in 2004. She was endorsed by pro-choice and civil rights groups, and was relatively unknown to Ohio voters, in addition to being vastly outspent by her opponent in the campaign. Yet, somehow, Connelly got scores of thousands more votes than did John Kerry at the very top of the ticket.
Arnebeck said that “if you adjust for the [Connelly] anomaly or that situation, it’s enough votes to have changed the outcome of the election. So the focus of our efforts, in cooperation with the Secretary of State, would be to find out who is responsible for that.”
He targeted the Rapp family and the Triad Voting Systems company, who ran the tabulators in a number of Ohio counties in 2004, as those who need to be closely investigated.
“If it’s the Rapp family and the programming of the [Triad] tabulators,” Arnebeck stated, “we need to know that so that the Rapp family will be closely monitored, if not put in jail, before the 2008 election.”
Spoonamore continued, “I am extremely confident in [our] analysis of the 2004 election anomalies because of the way the tabulators were programmed, and all were programmed by the Rapp family on Triad systems. So in my opinion, there should be an investigation launched into exactly what happened.
“There was an enormous number of strange activities in which Triad and the Rapp family were running around the state taking hard drives out of computers, putting in new hard drives, and posting poll results. And the reason all this was going on, I’m quite confident, was that the hard drives they were pulling out had fraudulent coding. Simple as that.”
“Certainly if that happened at one of our banks, you could be arrested.”
Spoonamore has told Arnebeck and the plaintiffs that there is a clear pattern of fraud. He said the Ohio 2004 election was “a frighteningly un-auditable system.”
“When, in the Green Party recount, all of the sudden [people are] driving around the state pulling and swapping hard drives, they should have been in handcuffs that day,” argued Spoonamore.
Arnebeck noted that Triad Voting Systems “has never been interrogated under oath in either a civil or a criminal context, to the best of our knowledge. There was an FBI investigation launched at the request of John Conyers, and very shortly a letter coming back from the FBI stating that they had found no problem. But it was very minimal and it appears to have been a politicized investigation, not a normal serious investigation by the FBI.”
Spoonamore said that he knows the key FBI cyber investigation people “quite well, and they were certainly never involved [in the investigation Conyers requested], there was no hardware ever involved. So whatever investigation was launched, it was topical, but they never examined the equipment.”
When the stay on the King Lincoln case is lifted, Arnebeck intends to depose Connell, key members of the Rapp family, and says that he will make Spoonamore available as an expert witness and advisor. After discovery, they will amend their complaint as needed and “focus on corrective actions that are necessary for the protection of the 2008 election.”
More quotes from today’s presser…
Spoonamore on vote counting: “What happens at the end of the day, all those votes are thrown into a magic box with one troll inside, the troll jumps out and says ‘Here are your results! Ta-Da!!’ That’s it. There’s no validation of the code, there’s no authentication.
“With the Connelly Anomaly, if that was in a banking environment, instantaneously — instantaneously! — the entire system inside that box would be frozen. Any programmer who reviewed any of that code would be alerted, all the executives assisting in that process would be alerted, the hard drives would be frozen in place, extracted and immediately placed in forensic analysis. ‘Cause somebody did something major.”
Spoonamore again: “None of us [the American people] really want to confront the fact that there appears to be an extremely coordinated effort by a very small group of people to rig elections and take control of the executive branch.”
“You can spend all day every day looking at this stuff and saying, ‘Well that would certainly launch a fraud investigation in a bank, but it doesn’t when it comes to our vote.’ Why?”
When asked by a reporter to respond to the fact that both Democratic and Republican Secretaries of State and elected officials will say that our elections are run on a bi-partisan system, Spoonamore responded, “No it’s not. It’s not a bi-partisan system. This entire system is being programmed in secret by programmers who have no oversight by anybody. In my opinion, both sides [Democrats and Republicans] have no friggin’ clue what they’re talking about.”
“The person who programs the code inside the machine will decide the results.”
Spoonamore was asked, “Are you a Republican?” And his priceless response was “Yes, I’ve been a life-long member of the Republican party. Sadly.” That prompted a burst of laughter from all assembled.
When a reporter asked Cliff Arnebeck what specifically he alleges Karl Rove did, Arnebeck said, “Karl Rove was involved in the Bush campaign for president in 2000. Our understanding is when they lost the New Hampshire primary, they were quite concerned and they made a decision to take the gloves off. Mr. Rove contact[ed] people with whom he had worked with in the industry, Grover Norquist and others, on behalf of the tobacco industry.
“At the time, the tobacco industry was fighting the Clinton administration $260 billion class action RICO case. That industry alone had a tremendous incentive to do whatever was necessary to kill that lawsuit. And George Bush, on Rove’s recommendation, positioned himself as a reformer with results. Not meaning the McCain reform with campaign finance reform, but the Bush reform in Texas where they changed the composition of the Texas Supreme Court to be business-friendly and to effectively immunize corporations from meaningful tort liability.
“They turned these groups loose in South Carolina, they won South Carolina with a lot of independent expenditures and dirty tricks.
“Rove was the architect of a strategy to, in effect, undo the rule of law, turn business loose free of government regulation.
“We certainly want to take his [Rove’s] deposition. His deposition has never been taken. Mr. Conyers is currently seeking his deposition in regard to what he did…in terms of going after Governor Siegelman in Alabama. And Mr. Rove is currently evading the congressional subpoena for his testimony.”
Cross-posted at Velvet Revolution and Velvet Revolution’s Election Protection Strike Force
It’s about time that Rove and his minions are put under oath. and it’s quite ironic that the Paula Jones civil suit precedent will be used to require Rove to testify. Great work Steve.
This could be the mother load. The fact that bush-cheney-rove etc could have access to all Congressional computers explains more than a lot. Like some others who post on Raw Story who never accepted the IMPEACHMENT off the table for Bush’s multiple high crimes and misdemeanors from Congressional leaders because of the “not enough votes” excuse or “the dem-rep family division” excuse or simply pointing to the clock in the middle of the game.
Excellent exposition of a completely manipulated system that has been basically executed in secrecy. With all official departments and or branches corrupted by this destructive criminal regime, this case illustrates how this corrupted regime could perpetuate itself by 1. evading discovery and 2. continuing their reign of terror unhitched by never investigating themselves let alone 3. ever finding themselves guilty of anything.
Thank you and look out for another outbreak of White Alqueda anthrax that hasn’t occurred since October 2001. That was Bush-Cheney post 9-11 false flag war games on the homefront for controlling opposition who threatened their plans.
GBD
Woo Hoo! Yay! Go Cliff, go!
As one of the nine Regional Coordinators for the Green Party Ohio Recount, I always knew there was more there than we could uncover at the time. MUCH more.
But even though all this is terrific, one comment on Spoonamore what said —
I’ve been a pollworker for MANY years and I am nobody’s grandmother. Please can’t we expose election fraud and fight for election integrity without hurling backhanded insults at pollworkers? (and grandmothers?) Regardless of age, pollworkers are not generally the cause of these problems. The real culprits are corporations like Triad, Diebold, and ES&S alongside corrupt insider officials like Blackwell and Rove.
Incidentally, Avi Rubin is also a pollworker and I don’t think he is anyone’s grandmother either.
Marybeth
The fact that McCain is married to the Phoenix mob (an important branch of the Lansky – Bronfman organized crime syndicate,) indicates that he probably has, in place, sufficient operatives to steal the 2008 election, already. At the moment it looks as though the Campaign is going to be a total fraud and scam, designed to allow the theft of the election by the Bush gang, whose connections to organized crime have been carefully hidden, but are merely a continuation of the marriage of the Republican Party and the Mob that has been a scandal since the time of Richard Nixon, no matter how carefully swept under the rug. Since most of the Federal judges have been appointed by that same Bush gang, just how do you expect to clean out this Augean Stable? Obama may think he has a good chance to become President, but the fix is in. Unless a miracle happens, it’s another stolen election, another totally corrupt Republican President, and the END of the United Sttates as an honest broker in International relations, as well as a total impoverishment of its citizens. Permanent war, and turning over of the country to the drug lords as we amalgamate with Mexico and Canada, seems to be in the cards.
And the vote data from the Richfield computer was passed on to
Smartech in Chattanooga, TN. Smartech had 3 other accounts
bush/Cheney 04, The RNC, and gwb43.com..
the bastards stole “it” and our media knows it too but
will not cover that bush was never elected either time.
Rove will just ignore any subpoena and Pelosi will say “he’s above the law”. You’re wasting your time. You should be trying them for treason. Besides, Kerry works for the same a-holes as Bush. So what’s the difference?
Thank you to every individual who refuses to give up on proving this in your face tyranny.
Oh yeah, but will congress resolve to stop the “i’m untouchable rove” with INHERENT CONTEMPT? Short of that, good luck on your dem landslide oathbreaker pelosi!
VOTE GREEN FOR WHAT WE NEED NOW! Maybe obama will feel the pressure, and course correct in the process.
Well, there goes my theory of hacking into the State pollbooks and election tabulation servers and voting for the registered non-voters ;), only one thing, that appears to be exactly what they’re doing
Someone also needs to check into FL in 2004… There was a “Supposed Bomb Threat” (a suspicious legal size envelope at the front door) Which closed the RA Gray Bldg. This is the Bldg. which houses the Div. of Elections. Which is where all the electronic voting results are uploaded to. The supposidly suspicious pkg. was discovered in the early morning the day prior to the General Election. And Bush was polling behind in FL as was Mel Martinez who was polling behind Betty Castor. I in my soul know that something was up with this particular incidence. We have bomb threats at many bldgs such as the Supreme Court, the Federal Court the County Court, the Capitol, etc. all of the time, here in Tallahassee. But, this one at the RA Gray Bldg. was different. The usual Bomb squad was not the team that was at the bldg. I for one was so suspicious that I actually called Tad Devine who was the chief advisor to the Kerry campaign(I worked on a US senate campaign with him,)the day after to election. I got Tad’s voice mail… and never heard back from him. But, something was very wrong with the circumstances that morning in Nov. 2004!
Rawstory coverage:
http://rawstory.com//news/2008/Cybersecurity_expert_raises_allegations_of_2004_0717.html
– Tom
That Raw link Tom, they are talking about a patch that was put in in Fulton and DeKalb counties only?
Was that the infamous ‘Rob Georgia’ patch I wonder?
Yes, they are talking about the Rob Georgia Patch
I’m to afraid to hope once again (I’ve had my hopes deflated so many times) that justice will happen to any of this criminal administration. But if we can just get any of them to court we’ll be able to at least get them on purgury, since they can’t speak the truth…they have no knowledge of what truth is, they believe their own words. But F-it…the Polyanna in me will keep on hoping for those criminals to pay so we can teach our children that being in the Whitehouse is not a license to fraud, steal, kill and abuse the constitution!
OP cyber-security expert suggests Diebold tampered with 2002 election
A leading cyber-security expert and former adviser to Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) says he has fresh evidence regarding election fraud on Diebold electronic voting machines during the 2002 Georgia gubernatorial and senatorial elections.
http://rawstory.com//news/2008/Cybersecurity_expert_raises_allegations_of_2004_0717.html
Audio of Press Conference (Credit: RawStory)
I said early on these electronic vote tabulation devices are a “National Security problem”, and I stick to that.
I also said, Yank their security clearances, until they can be proven not corrupt.
You just know the Korporate Mass-media will work overtime to squash, belittle and de-legitimize this story any in ways they can.
The Korporate media have been complicit
in election stealing in America, at least since 2000, if not earlier.
A Republican has met The Enemies Of America,
and it is:
Other Republicans!
This is a case of Mulder saying “I Want to Believe”—and I do. But I am having difficulty with the theory of the crime. It seems to me that penetrating the Rapp family and its operatives should have and would have been a lot easier, or that someone in the know (about the commission of the crime) would have come forward by now. It seems to me you are talking about lots of witting accomplices driving all over Ohio replacing hard drives and booting up faulty ballot counts. It just seems to complicated and , from the criminal’s point of view, too unreliable and too unwieldy to work.
But, boy ,would I love this to be a “gotcha” case.
Does it seem like we’ve reached a critical mass here? I don’t know. I gotta be honest, I have about lost hope in America. Maybe it’s the fact that I live in Central Ohio, and voted that day. I went to bed believing. We all know how that went.
So here’s one for you. I returned to vote in 2006 and my name was missing from the rolls. I’ve voted in the same school gym for 11 years now. No redistricting, no nothing. All the sudden I don’t exist. Probably just me being paranoid, but damn it, there’s so much reason to be paranoid these days. I voted provisionally. The Ohio primary? My name restored. Weird huh. Anyway I’m just one person, why the hell would it matter if I wasn’t listed? Why would anyone bother? I don’t know.
Bottom line? There’s a lot of truth out there somewhere. It would be interesting to find it.
Either someone butchered the facts, I have a reading comprehension problem, or Spoonamore is full of shit.
If so, it would be the second time he’s issued a non-credible statement. He did an exceptionally unsophisticated and factually challenged press release a while back.
Check his credentials more carefully please. I think he was a filmmaker before he assigned himself “most expert security guy” status.
The specifics on the clockfix file would indicate that either he never looked at it or the details were misreported.
That’s what I was thinkin’ after a while about Spoon(feed)more (BS?) Bev.
Is he there to muddy the facts or what?
I’m convinced it’s being manipulated at the State level thru bugged servers like Tallytowngals observations above would suggest
This article has a little bit of history of Spoonamore from ABCIA news with Carlos Gibson.
Is Rollo Tomassi in the comments at Raw Jake Tapper?
Link
That article doesn’t provide any history on Spoonamore, just reiterates his claim that he is an expert, which I STILL have not seen solid corroboration on. The Rebecca Abrahams name on that article is interesting. She popped up in connection with Spoonamore’s previous non-credible press release.
It may be that the game plan this fall will be to muddy up the waters, suckering in prominent figures in the election reform community and providing just enough disinformation that, when they stick their head in the honey pot to eat that information up, their error can be used to taint them later on. Exactly like they did to Dan Rather, but going after the currently credible Internet bloggers.
I’m not here to attack anyone, but I’ve seen enough to throw up a cautionary flag on this.
I have no comments about any of the other Ohio information. I like Fitrakis et. al, hope they will watch their backs.
Natl Journal does huge story on cyber security and cites expert Stephen Spoonamore. OK, so should we believe Bev or the National Journal??? Oh Bev, BTW, Brad was an actor before he became a blogger.
China’s Cyber-Militia http://www.nationaljournal.com/njmagazine/cs_20080531_6948.php
National Journal – Washington,DC,USA May 30, 2008
Stephen Spoonamore, CEO of Cybrinth, a cyber-security firm that works for government and corporate clients, said that Chinese hackers attempt to map the IT networks of his clients on a daily basis. He said that executives from three Fortune 500 companies, all clients, had document-stealing code planted in their computers while traveling in China, the same fate that befell Gutierrez.
Spoonamore challenged U.S. officials to be more forthcoming about the breaches that have occurred on their systems. “By not talking openly about this, they are making a truly dangerous national security problem worse,†Spoonamore said. “Secrecy in this matter benefits no one. Our nation’s intellectual capital, industrial secrets, and economic security are under daily and withering attack. The oceans that surround us are no protection from sophisticated hackers, working at the speed of light on behalf of nation-states and mafias. We must cease denying the scope, scale, and risks of the issue. I, and a growing number of my peers believe our nation is in grave and growing danger.â€
Yeah Bev, the history I was referring to was that he had something to do with ABC, which I don’t trust at all and being a ex-McCain/Republican operative.
You’re right, it doesn’t bode well for EI community unless he (Cliff) comes up with something more solid, it could be a disaster.
…and Racehorse coming out of the blue to pump this guy and “the facts” up kinda freaks me out also.
Brad himself relied on Spoonamore two years when he was instrumental in breaking the release of the Pentagon Papers of evoting, the unredacted SAIC report on Diebold machines. https://bradblog.com/?p=3731
Both Rebecca and Sponnamore were involved with that SAIC release, so were they trolls, working on behalf of the WH or ABC to create a smokescreen? Is having a GOP cyber expert not an asset or is just the fact that Spoonamore is a Republican reason to believe that he is a plant to discredit the evoting community?
Arnebeck’s suit in OH does not at all depend on Spoonamore. His filings do not even mention him. Spoonamore was simply asked to tell the press that in his opinion as a cyber security expert who chases bad guys every day, the data from the 2004 election should have led to a criminal investigation and if the people involved with that election are not held to account, the 2008 election will also be manipulated. So Bev, what is wrong with that? What are you trying to imply when you say to watch their backs? That they have been duped into going after the bad guys? That they should not pursue this legal case? That Spoonamore is somehow going to manipulate the best election lawyers in the country to make claims that are not supported by the facts.
Arnebeck wants to take targeted discovery/depositions from bad guys to ask questions that have never been answered. He believes that that will lead to a RICO filing against the bad guys. That discovery does not in any way depend on Spoonamore or you or anyone in the election integity community. If the discovery determines that no one did anything wrong then we can all celebrate that our elected leaders have protected our vote. But neither you nor Arnebeck believe that. Instead, he believes that people under oath will talk and our elections will be safer as a result. That is what you have been advocating for years and he deserves your support rather than some whisper campaign designed to undermine.
FYI, Cybrinth LLC is owned by Duos Technologies LLC. Had previously been owned by Spoonamore, he sold it in 2007. Don’t know much about Duos, it’s out of Jacksonville, FL, principals are mostly from the Netherlands.
This entertaining little disclaimer is on Cybrinth’s site:
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“No Warranty
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cybrinth.com/uploads/Disclaimer%20of%20Endorsement.pdf
LOL.
Arnebeck’s suit in OH does not at all depend on Spoonamore.
As I said, I am a fan of Fitrakis and the other folks. And as I said, my comments pertained to Spoonamore’s alleged examination of the Georgia patch. The analysis of the clockfix patch shows someone did not do their homework and you’ve gotta wonder why a guy who touts himself as an internationally renowned security expert would put his name on an analysis that mixes things up.
So Bev, what is wrong with that? What are you trying to imply when you say to watch their backs? That they have been duped into going after the bad guys?
No. That they need to be careful about forming links with any person who puts out incorrect information.
Don’t put words in my mouth. Most of your speculations about my motivation, “racehorse”, are just making up things in your own imagination.
Arnebeck wants to take targeted discovery/depositions from bad guys to ask questions that have never been answered.
Outstanding. Has nothing to do with Spoonamore and the Georgia patches.
He believes that that will lead to a RICO filing against the bad guys.
Which would be outstanding, and high time for it!
That discovery does not in any way depend on Spoonamore or you or anyone in the election integity community.
Which is why I say they should watch their backs, because there will be people shoe-horning their way in, not always credible people, and that can taint the process.
he deserves your support rather than some whisper campaign designed to undermine.
If I was whispering, I wouldn’t use my real name and I wouldn’t publish information publicly. And it’s not I who is undermining. I’m saying, watch out for coattail-hangers bearing so-called gifts.
Wonder how Spoonamore ended up in that press conference at all — whether he maneuvered himself in, or they asked him. No matter. The short story on Spoonamore and the Georgia patches is that he appears to have both his timelines and his patches mixed up, which components of the system were patched, and when. His analysis of the clockfix patch references a GEMS patch. (clockfix was for the touchscreens, and didn’t happen until later.) If he actualy looked at the clockfix patch, he would know that it’s for CE, and the language file patches are for the GEMS server, which was running on NT. That’s pretty hard to miss, and that kind of gaffe looks pretty embarrassing to me. As in, he never even looked at the clockfix patch at all. Instead, he looked at the robgeorgia patch, which was not a clockfix and was implemented before the clockfix problem surfaced. And further, he’s blabbing on about the auditory language files and fails to mention the elephant in the room, that robgeorgia replaces Accubasic files, which are the files identified in all the studies as the tampering mechanism.
There now. I’ve provided enough information for someone to climb out of the hole they just dug themselves into.
None of this matters. Both major parties are just two heads of the same snake. Both are controlled by the mob, fake jews, the zionists who own all media and entertainment networks in America. Even if Rove or anyone else were successfully prosecuted, he would be pardoned immediately by whichever Repub. or Democrat president was in office. We need Ron Paul. We desperately need another revolution.
Keep your eye on the ball – Mike Connell is the story here. Gov Tech Solutions…New Media Communications…and apparently connections now established to Triad and the Rapps – this is the story here, and it’s about damn time it came out.
I’ve been waiting under orders of secrecy (in other words I promised to keep my mouth shut to folks digging and digging) for a very long time for this to break.
I agree completely with Bev’s cautious attitude, and find it hilarious that an anonymous screenname (Racehorse) doesn’t have the guts to put his/her name on posts – if I didn’t know better, good old Robert Pelletier might be having himself some fun again.
If he is now cooperating, Mike Connell will bring the whole system down.
John
{Ed Note: Well, I’m having to make a judgment call here. On the one hand, since Bev Harris is a public person, she’s fair game, but on the other hand, since she is a fellow commenter here, you’re not allowed to attack her. The deciding factor for deleting your rancorous post was that you made a bunch of outrageous claims with no support, and so I feel fine about deleting your obnoxious comment. –99}
Give me a break, Walter. Kook-talk like that achieves nothing. Gee, I guess we shouldn’t even discuss this issue at all, huh guys/gals? Because it doesn’t matter… Ron Paul will ride in on his white horse and fix everything…
Wow, the misinformation trollers are out in full force.
Yikes, I hadn’t seen the Raw Story report before posting, and now I’m concerned by this – “Spoonamore also confirmed he’s working with Connell on overseas election issues…”
I’ll repeat what I said above – Connell will bring the whole system down, if he is cooperating. Is Spoonamore legit? I know for a fact that Connell was well aware that the noose was tightening around him. Is Connell cooperating, and Spoonamore is speaking on his behalf? Or is Connell NOT cooperating, and smoke is being pumped into the maze of mirrors?
I’ll try to find out,
John
I raised legitimate issues. I now see that everyone is backing away from the RawStory statements, and I have just been told by Arnebeck that RawStory never interviewed Spoonamore.
The information in that story was incorrect. Would you rather it gets a life of its own and sails all over the blogosphere? Agree that the Georgia issue has waylaid this post, bear in mind that it is hijacking and headlining the more important posts about the Ohio actions. That’s happening now all over the Internet.
Please remove the libel by whats-is-face, Brad, unless the guy wants to back it up with proof point by point. He can’t, because it’s the same old pack of lies.
Because I have those patch files, and because I have not only examined them at length myself, but sat there with Hursti and others as they examined them, I know what’s in them. So do a lot of other people. That’s why correcting the record — QUICKLY — is important. If we don’t, we all get a pie in the face later.
Thanks, Brad. Public figure is irrelevant when it comes to libel.
Now, for the rest of this, I hope it will all come a’tumbling down. It’s about time. Racketeering is the way to go, and the delicious irony in that is that the legal term for racketeering is “conspiracy.
So I guess once the racketeering suits get going full-tilt, we can all be proud that we are racketeering theorists. I’ve been a RICO theorist for a long time.
It was me, Bev, and I’m sorry I didn’t get that pile of steaming dog shit deleted faster, but I’d gone off to make myself a little lunch….
Bev,
If you are going to lie, at least do so convincingly. No one is backing away with anything relating to the Raw Story article. What you have done is conflate Brad’s article with the Raw Story article and then went on to make allegations which are false.
First of all, Raw Story interviewed the whistle-blower who provided the chain of custody on the patch. Spoonamore made his own allegations public, which is why we also included the audio in our story. As to whom I did or did not interview, not you or Cliff is privy to that.
Now, if you have actual issues with my article, I suggest you list them from my article. You are and continue to be one of the most dubious people in this entire movement. But because you actually are now claiming to have knowledge regarding my story and are now spreading lies about me (I think you called that libel?), then I thought I would come and address you myself.
I have also seen the copies of your list serve emails claiming that the entire story is a lie and implicating both Brad and myself in fabrication. That is something that I believe is also called libel. So, if you have issues with my story, then point them out nice and clear and word for word so we can all see just what it is your are so busy whining about. And then you wonder why no one thinks you are reliable? This is why Bev. This vanity kick you are on and your unethical behavior towards others when all you want is attention. You got my attention, so make it count, because it will be the last time you will ever have my attention again.
Larisa Alexandrovna
PS I wonder why it is that Cliff and the others did not include you in the prepping for the presser or in all of the discussions that many of the credible leaders of election issues were part of? Don’t you think it strange Bev?
Agent 99,
Nice to see you here. I hope is well with you. I have some other items regarding the deportation to discuss with you. Hugs, Larisa
Bev wrote:
A word to the wise. You can’t be too careful.
I am still waiting for these serious questions about my reporting Bev. You were ready with all sorts of comments rather quickly here, so there is no reason to be taking so long. You did, after all, send emails to your list serve claiming that I was lying, so you must have your evidence very handy. Don’t be shy Bev. I dod have to ask why someone who claims to be one of the good guys does nothing but attempt to destroy, divide, and smear anyone and everyone who is credible? For everyone who has warned me to not go near you, Bev, because you are a “wrecking ball,” the one question no one can answer is why. Can you tell us Bev? We are all very curious.
Larisa, I need to speak out here – you certainly helped muddy this whole situation, by repeatedly accusing Bev of being involved with the scamdy operation against Andy Stephenson, which was actually AnonymousArmy and Fred Grady (aka Frank Solich) – and not Bev’s former publisher David Allen, who you also accused privately. I’ve still got all the emails, links to posts as well. As you know, that whole episode ruined a brother-sister like relationship that meant a lot to me, with you. Andy was no saint. Deal with it.
Let’s all take a deep breath and be honest – we have all done things we wish we could take back, including me. Sometimes this internet stuff is so addicting, with anonymous folks playing roles in an effort to divide and conquer, that it is hard to know what the truth is…and that is the bottom line, the truth.
People need to communicate privately a little more right now, and come to understand situations that caused hurt feelings all around. Larisa, you work so hard, and I still love you even though you ignore me, but your work isn’t always flawless. Bev, I love you too, and know your heart is pure when it comes to our votes being sacred, but even you know that sometimes you pop off a little too early.
The story here is Connell. Let’s celebrate the beginning, of what I hope is the end to all this madness.
John
Good words John, Heller’s story is about the Arnebeck strategy which is brilliant in its power and simplicity. Maybe Larisa got her info from a whistleblower other than Spoonamore and then heard Spoonamore say something related at the Ohio press conference. If so, the story was double sourced. Larisa is one of the best reporters out there and so let’s give her the benefit of the doubt and wait to see what she follows this up with. It looks to me like an opening salvo on her part and I would not be surprised if she comes out swinging in a few days with more on this issue that will put a lot of this stuff to rest.
John, you are right, this is about Connell and Rove. Let Arnebeck get them under oath and see if the house of cards starts falling.
John,
Any time we can get any of these guys on the record or under oath it is tremendous. Carefully reading the article here by Steve Heller, it looks like Connell is still in the “hostile” camp.
But any of these guys — ANY of them under oath and the whole thing could go nuclear.
So I wish I could put the following in tiny, tiny print because it is not germane to the Ohio story, as you point out, John. And it’s the last I have to say on this.
Follow the links, download the actual patches, it’s all clearly documented and provable.
Larisa asked for the specific issues with the RawStory reporting. I will quote the parts that are a problem and yes, the way they are reported, are not true. That doesn’t mean I’m calling anyone a liar, it just means RawStory got the facts wrong.
This first part is Chris Hood, who is for some reason still being treated as an anonymous whistleblower even though he’s gone public and most of his information was published quite a while ago by Robert Kennedy Jr.:
“The first red flag went up when the computer patch was installed in person by Diebold CEO Bob Urosevich, who flew in from Texas and applied it in just two counties, DeKalb and Fulton, both Democratic strongholds. The source states that Cox was not privy to these changes until after the election and that she became particularly concerned over the patch being installed in just those two counties. ”
That is interesting and does not jive with the facts, which are that the clockfix patch was applied to all 22,000 voting machines in all counties. Also, Cathy Cox is on the record as knowing about it, because her office issued a press release about it in fall 2002, about 6 weeks before the election.
The facts are that there were two kinds of patches, a clockfix patch which was applied to all the touchscreens, and a GEMS patch. Each of these two kinds of patches had more than one permutation. This is clearly documented in the Diebold memos, and the whole kit and caboodle is documented here:
http://www.bbvdocs.org/history/georgia-patches.pdf including actual copies of the patches.
What is very interesting is that maybe the “two county” scenario explains the existence of the GEMS patch. That was not a clockfix patch, though.
The RawStory article goes on to say:
“The whistleblower said another flag went up when it became apparent that the patch installed by Urosevich had failed to fix a problem with the computer clock, which employees from Diebold and the Georgia Secretary of State’s office had been told the patch was designed specifically to address.”
This is mixing up two issues. The clockfix patch went onto all the voting machines. The two-county explanation doesn’t jive with the facts, which are that there was a clockfix patch put on machines all over the state. But I think it might explain the GEMS patches, which Georgia officials have never explained at all.
Than the article says: “the whistleblower approached Spoonamore because of his qualifications and asked him to examine the Diebold patch.”
Okay, so this has Spoonamore examining the patch. But which patch? I think, based on what Spoonamore is reported to have said, he did not examine the clockfix patch. Here’s why:
The article says:
“Individuals close to Arnebeck’s office said Spoonamore confirmed that the patch included nothing to repair a clock problem. Instead, he identified two parallel programs, both having the full software code and even the same audio instructions for the deaf.”
Yes, well that’s not the clockfix patch. That’s the GEMS patch. The GEMS patch contains the extra programs containing audio instructions (which would be for the blind, by the way, not the deaf; the deaf wouldn’t be able to hear audio instructions). The GEMS patch also contains instructions to replace the ACCUBASIC files.
The clock problem was on the touchscreens. You wouldn’t fix it with a GEMS patch.
The audio files were on the GEMS patch. You wouldn’t find that on the clockfix patch, which was an nk.bin file.
The clockfix nk.bin file basically is like reinstalling windows, but customized for Windows CE on the touchscreen. nk.bin rewrites the whole ball of wax, and is consistent with fixing a clock problem.
What Spoon examined was not the touchscreen CE file, it was the GEMS robgeorgia file or it’s little brother, the GEMS 6-28 file.
So basically, Spoonamore wasn’t looking at the clockfix patch.
Maybe I’m the only one who cares whether these details are precisely reported, but I do worry about it, because it’s so easy to debunk.
Bev, I know you’re a stickler when it comes to complete accuracy, and sometimes others might feel offended by it, but I understand it, and where you are coming from, first hand.
I remember when we were working behind the scenes nailing therealrobp, aka Diebold’s Robert Pelletier. I knew I had him, especially when you beat me to the punch by coming up with his and his wife’s address…but still, you were insisting that everything must be ironclad, and you drove to his house with Kathleeen and took photos, including the yellow car, and then days later, you drove to the Diebold parking structure, and filmed the same yellow car entering the structure.
Now THAT is completing the work, and making something 100% ironclad. I remember before you took your two fieldtrips that I was positive I had nailed him, and part of my various feelings were a little hurt because you weren’t quite sold…but you were right, we had to close the deal, you went out there and did it, and then released the result of all our hard work – a 100% ironclad expose’ that “the trolls” came out from the woodwork to try and debunk, including AnonymousArmy. You did great!
And Larisa, if you are still around, I also have the emails about the crap you said about this expose’, and about Bev. She was a hero, and she relentlessly pursued the story until it was 100% ironclad. I’m sure that is an example of something you wish you could take back.
We’ve all been there, we’re all humans with flaws, we’ve all jumped off the deep end prematurely, and no matter how hard we try, we might again someday. But we’re all better people for what we’ve done, whatever the scope and size.
John
Stephen Spoonamore Joins Duos Technologies as Chief Technology Officer
Business Wire, Oct 18, 2007
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Bwahahaha hah. Hey there it is in print. It must be true… Right? Hmmm, there sure seemed like an awful lot of information and anachronisms and such were just crammed into that (Spoonamore) rah rah story. Somebody crawls out of the intelligence community and that instantly makes them credible? Sheesh, how stupid do you think people are?
I think you have bet on the wrong… Awww nevermind.
If anyone wonders why I vanished after a long absence followed by a brief prolific spurt, it’s because I’m going out with friends 🙂
Now repeat after me…Connell is the story…
John
Connell is the story.
(repeating after you. And Connell is the story that intrigues me most.)
Yeah, Connell and Barry Jackson in Iowa in the ’80s
Quite a remarkable history there.
Link
Agreed. Getting Connell, Rove, Abramoff, Blackwell, Scanlon, Ney, Rapp et al under oath is the story. Dont let Spoon distract.
…and Jackson to Abramoff to Greenburg to Bass to Suntron to Gibbons to Hart…
Oh what a tangled web we weave…
Good morning everyone,
Glad to see a consensus is forming here – solidarity is very critical, in my opinion. Connell is the story. Spoon is now a player in the story, and based on my private discussions over the past day, he’s a legitimate player, and we should all be glad he’s chosen the path he is now on.
All the cards are now in play, and it’s time to watch how the hand is played out. Arnebeck has the lead.
Here is another good link for background information on Connell and company.
John
Thanks for all comments and vigorous debate. I agree that the case itself is what is important.
Just FYI, links to video of an interview with Cliff Arnebeck and Bob Fitrakis, the entire presser, and PDFs of the hold letters to AG Mukasey, the U.S. Chamber, and the motion to lift the stay are now in the post near the top.
Spoon is now a player in the story, and based on my private discussions over the past day, he’s a legitimate player, and we should all be glad he’s chosen the path he is now on
Analyzing the wrong patch is not a good start. Issuing conclusions on the wrong patch does little for the credibility of the election reform community or anyone else. This is not a minor matter and I am dead certain that Hursti would not have made this error. Nor would Dr. Hugh Thompson. I repeat, it’s the second sloppy set of conclusions from Spoon. Legitimate or not, he’s issuing political conclusions based on sloppy work.
I realize that there are two different paths on this stuff: One, political and partisan, ends justify the means, details not so crucial. The other, on behalf of the people themselves without regard to politics, getting facts, facts, facts and rebuilding democracy brick by brick.
I believe where we diverge is in the belief that a particular political party automatically means that democracy will be rebuilt on behalf of the people.
Decide for yourself.
Here is Spoonamore’s factually problematic and very political (pro-DEMOCRAT) press release from Nov. 2005.
http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/8/13057.html
It is my understanding that none of the other computer scientists gave permission to use their names in the release. I know for a fact that Thompson demanded retraction of his name. I heard — you can call that whispering if you like — that Rubin and Dill did too.
Link to the release, which was posted Nov. 2005: (By the way, does this sound like a Spoonamore’s a Republican????)
Press release Nov. 2005:
“Steven Spoonamore, President, Cybrinth, Inc.
Phone: 646 351 2255
“1. Voting Tabulators are where the primary hacks are happening, especially in counties where the Republican is already expected to win.
2. Incidence of hacks increases with the level of GOP partisanship and how much control that partisan GOP has over the voting. Also a high correlation with prominent Christian Right anti-abortion operatives.
3. Watch the suspect counties carefully. Usually they start counting and have some strange malfunction (Power outage, “Humidity Malfunction”, Computer Error, Terrorist Threat ect.) They often times need to have a technician “reset” the machines, and whether it is done by a technician or remotely, they need some reason so the tabulator with the force balancer can finish counting much later than other counties, you have big cause to worry. The total number of which is known, then “breaks” in favor of the GOP. ‘Force Balancers’ need to know the total number of votes they have force BEFORE they begin forcing. And only the last county, or couple of counties doing that can do that as they have to know starting ratios and intended finishing ratios.
4. If the Democrat leads across the state, and then suddenly the last counties have huge returns in favor of the Republican, those hard drives should be obtained and searched. Even if they install and erase the code it will still be there until a deep wipe is done.â€
Bev Harris
Founder – Black Box Voting
I’ve already conveyed this privately…now I’ll post it publicly.
By “legitimate player,” I meant that he IS a player…not that he IS legitimate. Fact is, the more some folks did tonight, the odder things appear.
Is Spoon a Republican? According to this link, there’s a Stephen Spoonamore in NY who gave over $1700 to Howard Dean’s campaign in 2004. It says there that he is an “owner/media producer.”
According to this next link, the Stephen Spoonamore we are discussing has founded/co-founded eleven previous companies, including a company that developed television studios, and won two Emmys.
Sure looks like the same guy, and if they are the same guy, it seems odd that this “Republican” would donate over $1700 to Howard Dean’s campaign.
Connell is the story here, and it is important that we don’t take our eyes off the ball. Spoonamore is involved, therefore he’s a “legitimate player” – but I have to agree that the jury is out on whether Spoon himself is legit or not. Certainly there are troubling issues.
John
Final update then bed…
Spoon also donated $500 to John Sweeney in 2004, a congressman in the US House of Representatives, and a Republican. I also read an article that mentioned he had met Howard Dean while living in Vermont, so perhaps that is why he donated to him.
John
It’s funny strange what some people will say in private versus what they say in public. Maybe John Dean would like to tell the world how he really feels about the Clint Curtis story, how he feels AnonymousArmy got plenty of things right, and how Larissa couldn’t have been more wrong when she declared that AA was posting from a Dept. of Defense computer address.
Bev Harris had every right to post what she did. Larissa RawStory had no right to continue with the same old tired Bev bashing.
Brad Friedman also likes to play both sides of the fence. He acts all righteous as regards to proof and sources, but where was the journalistic diligence with the Curtis story? Why would someone select this Agent99 as a moderator, someone who accepts sources based on superficial ideology rather than on merits?
There is no excuse for Raw Story to be linking to Wayne Madsen.
A website called Progressive Independent, with deep ties to Michael Rivero and thus to a vast right woos left network of neonazis, has listed The Velvet Revolution as being a collaborative affiliate. Hmmm. So Brad Friedman can be tied to Michael Rivero? Brad can be downright creepy when you look beneath the facade.
I used to always wonder why Brad and others ignore serious information, when it’s spoonfed to them. It’s all making perfect sense now. You have these people who are either ambitious egos turned into dupes, or some of these people are willing participants in spreading disinformation.
You can take your fake zeitgeist and stuff it.
Bev, if you only knew how Brad really feels about you. This is how they operate. There is what they say in emails versus what they say in public.
Larissa’s afraid of “the credible people” being attacked? Ha. Stop linking to Madsen. Stop attacking Bev Harris for politely asking that the story be vetted.
Raw Story is not all that. Nor is Brad Friedman. Nor is the gatekeeping trollbuster who thinks the Curtis story smells something rancid.
You may have your manufactured right woos left zeitgeist, but there are pockets of awareness who can see through all the sophisticated bullshit that gets pushed on the internet.
Clint Curtis spoke of touch screen computers before the 2000 election. Sorry, that doesn’t add up.
Robert Hertzberg was one of the first to sponsor a bill for new electronic technology right after the 2000 elections. But that’s not big news to this information overload website.
Read the blogposts for the overload, then y’all come to the comments for some good old-fashioned tinfoil zeitgeist. The scientific method be damned.
I don’t care if you guys are shallow dupes or big fat egos in love with the mirror. People can see through all the bullshit. Agent99 is the moderator here? What a bad joke you are Friedman. And go on, tell Bev how you really feel. Tell her how you feel people had the right to rip into her with those bullshit threads at the Democratic Underground.
Divide and conquer?
Socrates, Jeremy Lowe, or whatever your name is, Brad is well aware that both Bev and I have always had serious misgivings about the Clint Curtis story.
And yes, AA was right about some things, and wrong on some other things, and he peaks all of our interest, and yes, Larisa was way off with what she posted at Daily Kos regarding AA’s IP coming from a Dept. of Defense computer. As I have said over and over, you don’t reverse the sequence of an IP, and then run a reverse DNS and use that result as “the answer.”
As for Robert Hertzberg, have you displayed any proof that he is related to Steven Hertzberg? Because that’s where you are going with that line. I remember when Jeremy Lowe used to link all sorts of people together, simply because their last name was the same. Produce proof that Robert and Steven are related, otherwise what have you got?
As for the rest of your early morning rant, I’ll stay out of it.
Connell is the story here. Sorry you were left out of the loop…but then of course, if you had been in the loop, all sorts of radioactive mutations would have been posted at your chemtrails site.
Time for work. A real job.
John
John Conyers (The Chairman of the House Judicial Committee) ..who knows all this stuff..hell he wrote a book about it…who promised he would address the election fraud issue if there was a Democratic majority, still can’t decide whether he should hold “criminal” impeachment hearings..how much hope do we have of ever seeing Justice..? I refuse ot get excited about accountability with Conyers, Pelosi, Hoyer and Reid at the “helm”
chabuka, this isn’t about congress. I agree that congress will never to anything substantive. But this is a civil suit that will go forward regardless of congress. That’s why I say it’s out last best hope to expose the truth about the last few elections and hold people, including Rove, accountable.
Check out pictures of both of them and tell me they aren’t related. It’s obvious the cover up of the Hertzberg story continues.
There is widespread “weather mitigation” going on. No disinformation can hide the obvious truth. One need only look up to the sky more often. You’ll witness it eventually. But you guys keep covering things like this up.
Engine search Brett Kimberlin of Velvet Revolution. Check out the links at Progressive Independent where it says Velvet Revolution is a collaborative partner. Check out PI’s ties to Mike Rivero. Check out Hertzberg’s links to Ron Paul on the internet. Or simply continue to ignore.
The rest of this post can be found here.
Why is it that the investigation is taking place now under cover with very small numbers of people knowing about this. When millions of people who
saw the election results of 2000 and 2004 suspected fraud. But nothing was done about it then and little is known about the investigation now.
where’s the FBI?
I have always assumed some of the missing Coingate money was distributed to targeted individuals at particular BOEs. Any info on that angle?