Guest blogged by Winter Patriot

Democrats in Florida’s 24th Congressional District are used to being surprised by Tom Feeney (left), but he’s been surprising them again during the past few days. They have reported receiving fliers in the mail — and phone calls, too — which appear to be serious, even respectful — if brief — comparisons of the policy positions taken by the Republican incumbent, Feeney, and his potential Democratic challenger, Clint Curtis.
What’s wrong with this picture?
Here’s a hint: Did you notice the word “potential”, as in “potential Democratic challenger”? That’s the key word here: the Democratic primary hasn’t happened yet!
So why is Feeney apparently ramping up for a run against Curtis?
Let’s start up a conversation with Scott Maxwell of the Orlando Sentinel, author of Feeney helps opponent:

That’s a fact.
That’s a factoid. Looks like a fact but is not one. This is not true at all, and you should know it, Scott. Clint Curtis’ accusations are on record. There’s all sorts of evidence all over this blog. And the record is easy to search. You can search all you like — and you really should have — but nowhere will you find any evidence that Curtis has accused Feeney of being the antichrist. So why exaggerate? Why not just report the facts? We wouldn’t happen to be building a little straw man, would we, Scott? We wouldn’t be constructing something resembling — but not quite — Curtis’ position, so we can easily tear it down later, would we?
Don’t look now, Scott, but when you use the word “convoluted”, that shows us you don’t understand the claims made by Clint Curtis. They are quite simple, really. And the claims made by Curtis allege outrageous conduct, clearly, but that is not the same as saying that the claims themselves are outrageous … unless you — who clearly don’t understand them — are now making this claim of outrageousness, based on some knowledge or authority which you have not yet deigned to reveal … forgive me for saying so but this possible explanation doesn’t seem very likely.
Not at all! Curtis accuses Feeney of asking him to design a vote-rigging prototype [PDF] — a piece of software that would look like a vote-counter but would actually be something else.
This is quite consistent with Curtis’ entire story. He doesn’t claim to have met any of the other 12 people who appear with Tom Feeney on CREW’s list of the most corrupt members of Congress.
Methinks you ought to read a bit of it — slowly enough to make sure you understand it — before you make any more snap decisions, Scott.
Of course. He always says that. He says he has never met Clint Curtis. But the funny thing is, Scott, Clint Curtis has taken — and passed — a polygraph test that focused on this story … and Tom Feeney won’t go anywhere near a polygraph! What does that tell you?
The inference you are trying to draw here is invalid, Scott. The committee of Congressional Democrats was investigating the 2004 presidential election, to which Curtis’ allegations do not apply. He never said he wrote a vote-rigging program that threw the 2004 presidential election. He only said he wrote a prototype for Tom Feeney. The Congressional Democrats couldn’t have done anything about Curtis’ testimony if they wanted to — because it didn’t pertain directly to the issue they were investigating. And none of this plays favorably for Tom Feeney in any way, except if it’s spun very dishonestly. But you knew that already, didn’t you, Scott? Or maybe if you had done some research you could have found out… Oh well, what’s just one more deceptive statement among friends?
Does he really? What makes you think that? Is your B.S. Detector not ringing hard right now??
The most sensible theory? Surely you jest! That’s the least sensible theory I’ve ever heard! Are you telling us Feeney doesn’t want to face Andy Michaud, who “has little money and has lost multiple previous elections”? Are you expecting us to believe that the powerful Congressman Tom Feeney doesn’t want to run against somebody who has little or — quite honestly — nothing going for him whatsoever?
Feeney would prefer to run against a nationally-known — no! internationally-known — whistleblower, who is seen in some quarters as a hero, and who has a considerable portion of the blogosphere behind him?
That’s the most sensible thing you can come up with? Surely you’re sandbagging us, Scott…. Can you really be this thick?
Well of course that’s not the reason. Feeney’s campaign is telling the truth for a change, Scott. Did you notice any difference in the tone of voice?
Well, this very cold blogger agrees as well, Scott. But which of these two men do you think represents good? Here’s a hint: the one who tells the truth! The one who tells it to a lie-detector to remove the doubt. And besides, Scott: when a man gets near the top of the list of the most corrupt members of Congress, you really have to take his Chief of Staff with a grain of salt. Don’t you? Or didn’t they teach you that in journalism school?
No! he hasn’t. You have no proof that these fliers and those phone calls have had any effect at all on the yet-to-be-decided primary election. Nor could you. That’s what “yet-to-be-decided” means. Nor do you have any proof that this was their purpose.
Roe is telling the truth again, Scott, and you’d better start learning to believe it, even if you don’t understand how it works. Let’s start this way: It’s not a dump truck. It’s more like a series of tubes.
And not just ultra-liberal web sites, either. It’s all kinds of web sites — run by people who care more about the integrity of our elections than about any political philosophy. For instance: there are many regular readers here at this humble green-and-yellow space who don’t consider themselves “ultra-liberal” at all, and some who would cringe if you called them any kind of liberal. But they’re concerned about how the votes are counted, just as surely as the ultra-liberals you mentioned. Did you catch the news? The group of people who are concerned about how their votes are counted is a huge majority of the population! The concern for honest elections cuts across every demographic Zogby could think of. It’s a pity you don’t take this huge majority of Americans seriously, Scott. Not yet, anyway. But you will.
How many readers do you think it will find in Hustler? And how many of them already know that Larry Flynt publishes a lot of stuff that other publications won’t touch — because it’s too true! because they think it’s dangerous! Answers: Many Hustler readers have known this for a long time, Scott. And more are discovering it every month. More questions: How many more readers do you think have seen that Hustler piece on the internet, without the porn [PDF]? Want a hint? It’s not a dump truck!
And the tiny problem with that theory — as we can see from the police crime scene photographs published by the brave Larry Flynt — is that Ray Lemme must have beaten himself up pretty badly before he tried to slash his wrists … unless your sources are leading you astray again, Scott. Follow the polygraph, reporter. Be very skeptical whenever one of the most corrupt politicians in America opens his mouth — or sends his Chief of Staff out to speak for him!
You see, here Roe is lying to you again. Clint has never accused Tom of murder. Why do you keep swallowing and printing such obvious lies? You can check the facts, Scott. Yes indeed, facts still exist in this world. And you can check them. You can check to see whether Clint Curtis has ever accused Tom Feeney of murder. Why don’t you? You’re the reporter here, aren’t you? We’re just humble bloggers…
Not quite so fast, Scott. You can thank Brad Friedman and other election integrity advocates — thank The BRAD BLOG and other election-integrity bloggers — for shining a spotlight on it. Thank Feeney for kicking Curtis out of a public meeting, if you like. But — and correct me if I’m wrong — the flier Feeney sent out didn’t mention the vote-rigging prototype, did it? Did it mention Ray Lemme? I don’t think we should thank Tom Feeney for shining a spotlight on anything! I think we should be very suspicious right about now. Consider the track record, no?
I know what I think of it … I can’t wait to read your trenchant analysis:
Exactly right, Scott. We agree on more than you might think. And I don’t mean to be rough on you, but we get kind of frustrated about how this issue is portrayed in the media. You nailed this one, though, and I give you credit for it!
Ahh, you’re onto something here … but what is it?
(Feeney would almost certainly win against the now-almost-totally-vacant shell-of-a-candidate Andy Michaud, who — as you yourself pointed out — has very little or nothing going for him. Against a man like Clint Curtis — with the power of the election integrity community behind him — nothing can be certain.)
As I’ve been saying, Scott, the “coast to an easy victory” may not be the “cakewalk” you imagine.
Or … or … or … maybe running against Clint Curtis is not Tom Feeney’s wish at all. And maybe there’s something stealthy going on. Did you ever consider that possibility, Scott? They do have political stealth in Florida, don’t they? Well … anyway … let’s proceed on the possible assumption of stealth for a moment, shall we?
If something stealthy is going on, perhaps that could explain the strange event that happened last Monday, when Feeney turned bright red and evicted Curtis from what was supposed to be a public meeting — at the Republican Club in Brevard.
If something stealthy is going on, perhaps that could explain why “multiple veteran politicians” all told you they were “surprised and confused”… those who were in on the joke (if any) would have been warned not to say anything at all about it, and the others would have been truly in the dark…
I’m not saying this is what’s happening, Scott, but I am saying: Pay Attention! Maybe there’s more here than meets the eye…
Greg Sargent at TPM Cafe has this:
FL-24: Bizarre Mystery Of Quirky Mailing And Missing Candidate
and this:
We finally reached a spokesperson for Feeney. She emailed us a statement suggesting that none of the above explanations had it right — and added yet another strange twist to the tale. She said that the Feeney campaign saw Curtis as the inevitable opponent in November — because, she said, Curtis’ primary rival is M.I.A.!
“It has become increasingly apparent that Clint Curtis is the only Democrat interested in running this race, as the other candidate hasn’t been seen or returned telephone calls in several weeks,” said the statement from the spokesperson, Pepper Pennington. “We are anxious to get started and establish the differences between Clint Curtis and Tom Feeney.”
And that makes some sense … except if you consider the timing! And this is all about timing! So we really should consider the timing, don’t you think? In my opinion we should also consider the following possibility, courtesy of the more-conservative than-you-might-think election-integrity advocate and investigative blogger, Brad Friedman:
“Hey, I thought Curtis was going to win! I even sent out a mailer showing us in a race this November face-to-face, so clearly I had nothing to do with gaming that election!“
Pay attention, Scott. You could learn a lot from this Friedman fellow. But you could learn a lot right now, too. Let’s start like this: If Michaud “wins” the Democratic primary — and if Feeney is accused of vote-rigging or any other electoral shenanigans — Feeney’s phone and mail campaign will not constitute exculpatory evidence in any way, shape or form. You do understand that, don’t you, Scott?
Think about how Feeney’s office spins the fact that Congressional Democrats didn’t mention his testimony in their report. Now think about how they will try to spin this!
Forewarned is forearmed, my friends.
And you can count yourself among that number, Scott, if you open your eyes — and your mind — and start paying attention.
Doing a little bit of research wouldn’t be a bad idea, either.
But most of all, pay close attention tomorrow — this is going to be very interesting!









Thick as a Brick, 1978….great link
So I take it this all got sent to Maxwell and/or the editors at the Orlando Sentinel. No doubt they won’t take the time to read it.
So Feeney’s district was tailor-made for him? That’ll sure be a kick in the pants when he loses.
Think Colbert could do a “fightin’ 24th”?
Soul Rebel:
I have left a comment on Scott Maxwell’s blog with a link to this page … or at least I have tried to do so … comments are moderated there and may take some time to appear on the site … but if you and/or 6 or 7 others might like to rattle some pots and pans at the Orlando Sentinel, be my guest!
I don’t have their email addresses yet, but I bet somebody can find them quickly!
WTF
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Develop Common Sense Spending Reform- We need to prioritize spending to serve American families. I am founder of the Washington Waste Watchers, a congressional working group to combat waste,fraud, and abuse in the federal government.
Offer Accountability and Standards in Education- In 10 years, we should have the very best math and science programs in the world. Less money should be spent on bureaucracy and more in the classroom. I believe 65 cents of every dollar should go to the classroom.
Become Energy Independent- In 20 years, we need to be totally independent from foreign oil. In order to achieve this, we need to focus on safe forms of oil and gas exploration and new alternative fuel resources.
Offer Choice in Health Care- In 15 years, every American should have a choice in their healthcare plan and have access to affordable healthcare for their families.
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These campaign managers must be hiring psychology experts now. It might just work!
But if I were Mr. Feeney, I’d keep the Jim Jones Kool Aid handy just in case, because if Clint Curtis’s campaign of TRUTH works, it’s going to get MIGHTY UGLY, (OH, SO UGLY)! down Florida way! I don’t even think the flying saucer Martians are going to help this time.
Usually, when they talk about dragging out the dead bodies during an election, they’re not really talking about…
Just drink the Kool Aid now Tom!
Nice info link to Clint Curtis,…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clint_Curtis
Or, maybe Feeney knows Clint is going to win and then start with the “Curtis is attacking me with baseless accusations” meme, and “I was nice to him, and he attacked me”, schoolyard politics is all it is
Feeney is a cu#t that would be my slogan if he wants to play that way
I hope all y’all down in Weeney’s – uhm – Feeney’s – FL district have got a good parallel election system set up to check the votes. Surely he doesn’t really want Curtis to win… Is there any poll on that race?
shw
In that comparison chart above, it should say, “Clint Curtis: For having everyones’ vote count”….”Tom Feeney: Assigned Clint Curtis to write a vote hacking program, and may be tied to the death of Lemme.”
Here’s a conspiracy for you: What if Feeney makes a big irrefutable deal about “supporting” Curtis and then Curtis loses due to vote flipping. No one would believe Feeney had anything to do with it and Feeney gets to run against a lesser opponent!
I’m not saying I believe it, I’m just saying it would probably work.
I’m seeing a real need for independent polls…not NBC, CNN, NYTimes or Gallop. If polls are fair and exit polls are done..it would be road blocks. “Till that day that we take to the streets like our great southern brothers and sisters. Wasn’t Busby ahead by a few points? How about McKinny?
If they debate, Clint fans should hold up pictures of Lemme to fluster Feeney, like they hold up things during foul shots in basketball.
Miss P: Do you mean, Clint loses to Michaud or Feeney?
Big Dan, I mean Clint loses to Michaud through vote flipping in the primary. Feeney then in the clear because he’d be oh so surprised! If Clint doesn’t make it, lot’s of information won’t come out about Feeney.
And here’s something interesting. If you click on information for Curtis you get Michaud’s information. If you click on Michaud (who probably won’t get that many clicks) you get the Curtis information:
http://www.flapolitics.com/show...o?diaryId=1069
Miss P: It looks like http://www.flapolitics.com has the links on their sidebar all up-mixed.
Is it deliberate? I dunno! Maybe you could find out for us? Perhaps if you point out their “error” and see how they handle it?
Well I just voted here in FL. I hope my vote went to the right people. I’m not in Clint’s district or he would of got my vote. I hope he wins the primary and I hope Castor wins here in Tampa too.
Why is it they have a paper trail in the primary’s, but not in the general election here in Florida. When I went to vote I noticed a roll of paper in front of the voting machine. I don’t remember the machine having that in 2004 and the guy said “Yeah they had it. all the talk you hear is just a lot of talk”. Well, I informed him it’s a lot of talk that frankly I believe. He stopped talking real quick. Does anyone remember if they had that roll of paper on the machines in the 2004 election? I know if they did I would of remembered it. This guy is trying to tell me it was on there in 2004, but I don’t think so.
WP,
I’ve emailed them about the Curtis/Michaud error, we’ll see how they handle it. It’s the only error I found (but I only clicked randomly on about 7-8 other people)…
WP, they fixed the Curtis/Michaud flip – an apparent cut and paste error they said. (I haven’t verified but I assume it’s ok now).
Thanks for looking after that, Miss P. Usually if it’s an honest mistake people fix it right away, and otherwise not. ;-(
WP
Excellent work once again. This sort of writing “taking the issue and rhetoric around it apart piece by piece” is a very effective way of getting people to really examine what is actually going on and those who read your articles will be well armed for looking at anything they read in the paper or see on the Telly. It is ofcourse the media’s job to do this. Pity they actually get paid for not doing it.
Greetings from the 24th!
Not only did I NOT receive my Sample Ballot in the mail, but the guy in line (behind me) at the polls this morning did not get one either.
To add insult to injury, I experienced voting anomolies in my precinct. At one point, I had two ballots in my hand. Max (the precinct captain?) was more worried about quieting my loudness at 7am, than she was that my vote be counted or that MY VOICE BE HEARD. Is this the best my tax dollar$ can buy? Iraq body bag$ and banana republic election$?
I emailed Bill Cowles (Supv of Elections, Orange County) today to confirm if the Sample Ballot had been mailed to me. I alerted him to the fact that I had voting anomolies to report, but that I was seeking my own sources first. But to be aware of the anomolies to be reported…and the tidbit that I had two ballots in my hand at one point.
His reply via email?
“Sample ballots were mailed on August 17. I verified that we have the correct address for you, so I don’t know what happened to your sample ballot, I only know that it was mailed. It was in a green envelope.
I am glad you got to vote. If there is anything I can do for you, let me know. ”
He is a public servant. He is an elected official. Do you see him doing public relations here?…about voting anomolies? He said, “I am glad you got to vote.” ?????????????????
Voting is a right. “I am glad you got to vote.”????????????????
I am so sick of these fools! Please Clint…You have to win! (PS: I received one of those auto-dial phone calls promoting Clint. Most strange! And it caught me offguard.)
so far so good…my first glance at and Clint Curtis has a 5409 – 3240 lead!!!!! 62.5%! Even makes for an exciting day out here on the west coast!
Ya know, Feeney really mighta done this because he knows he’s getting indicted and is trying to look like a good guy for THAT.
JuliePatchouli
Make sure you report your not getting your sample ballots to the post office, you might have a republican mail man.
Can Republicans vote in the Democratic Primaries. If so then maybe this was a polite (trying to look like a good guy) way of telling Republicans to vote for Clints opponent.
No, Sally, they don’t do that in Florida. This was about something else.
OK so that leaves trying to create “exculpatory evidence” (a cover) like you say WP for whatever crime they are planning. Clint’s tough stance on election fraud and his accusations toward Feeney make that very likely.
We are watching you Mr Feeney. Will it be blatant like the Busby/Bilbray fiasco turned out to be or covert like everything else going on.
Assume there is a media blackout. Be the eyes and ears of District 24. Report all that you find to http://www.clintcurtis.com “Contact us.”
All emails are read and escalated.