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Guest Blogged by Winter Patriot
Thus writes Michael Collins in his most recent article, a masterful presentation of the study and its results.
The graphic you see at the top right corner of this post shows how overwhelmingly Americans insist on seeing how their votes are counted; click on it to see a full-sized version. Respondents were asked to choose one of the following:
A: Citizens have the right to view and obtain information about how election officials count votes.
B: Citizens do not have the right to view and obtain information about how elections officials count votes.
The blue area represents respondents who chose option “A”, the red represents those who chose “B”, and the grey area represents those who were not sure. As you can easily see, the blue position was extremely popular for the survey overall. Below we have extensive charts and numerous graphs which show beyond any reasonable doubt that the blue position was extremely popular for every segment of the survey group!
But first things first; here’s Michael Collins:
New Zogby Poll On Electronic Voting Attitudes
by Michael Collins | “Scoop†Independent Media | August 21, 2006
New Zogby Poll: It’s Nearly Unanimous
Voters Insist On Right To Observe Vote Counting
Plus Other Findings From This Unique Poll
Part I of a II part series | Washington, DC
A recent Zogby poll documents ground breaking information on the attitudes of American voters toward electronic voting. They are quite clear in the belief that the outcome of an entire election can be changed due to flaws in computerized voting machines. At a stunning rate of 92%, Americans insist on the right to watch their votes being counted. And, at an overwhelming 80%, they strongly object to the use of secret computer software to tabulate votes without citizen access to that software.
The American public is clear in its desire for free, fair, and transparent elections. An 80%-90% consensus on the right to view vote counting and opposition to secrecy by voting machine vendor is both rare and remarkable in American politics. If only the public knew that these options are virtually non existent in today’s election system.
Viewing vote counting will soon become a process of watching computers, somewhat akin to watching the radio, but without sound. Secret vote counting with computer software that citizens cannot review is now a fait accompli. Most contracts between boards of elections and voting equipment manufacturers bar both elections officials and members of the public from any access to the most important computer software; the source code that directs all the functions of the voting machines, including vote counting.
As a result of the 2002 Help America Vote Act (HAVA), a majority of these voters will be using touch screen voting machines with a lesser amount using special paper ballots counted by optical scanning devices. There are very few localities using paper ballots for the November 2006 election. If the federal government gets its way, they will be a thing of the past.
The supreme irony is that HAVA was sold to Congress as the solution to the problems of the Florida 2000 election. Of course, we now know that as many as 50,000 black Floridians were wrongly removed from the voting rolls through a highly suspect “felon purge†that missed felons but captured legitimate registered voters. And we know further that over 100,000 ballots in mostly black precincts were disqualified due to the old voter suppression standby, “spoiled ballots. †Neither of those voting rights and civil rights problems is addressed by HAVA. It’s all about “the machines.â€
A Zogby Poll was commissioned and sponsored by election rights and business law attorney Paul Lehto of Everett. Washington. This author, Michael Collins, Editor, www.electionfraudnews.com was a contributing sponsor. It consisted of 1018 interviews over a five day period beginning August 11, 2006. For further details, please see the “Appendix†at the end of this article.
This article focuses on three key questions from the survey. The responses reveal public attitudes as they were measured very recently. The outcome should give policy makers and bureaucrats serious pause for reflection upon just exactly what they have done to America’s system of elections and just how far from public beliefs they have strayed.
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Voters Aware of Risks of Electronic Voting – Changing an Entire Election
How aware are you that there have been reports of flaws in electronic voting or computerized voting machines that make it possible to tamper with one machine in such a way as to change the results of an entire election?
Very aware 28.5%
Somewhat aware 31.8
Aware 60.3%
Somewhat unaware 14.9
Very unaware 22.8
Unaware 37.7
Not sure 1.9
The response shows a wide spread awareness of the potential for flawed voting machines to overturn an entire election. This is highly significant since the change in election outcome represents a violation of the expressed will of the people. Elections using touch screens computers or optical scan tabulators would seem to present entry level doubt concerning any election, particularly the type of nail biters that are common in America over the past few years.
All subgroups were near or exceeded 50% or greater in awareness ( very, somewhat) of the risks of electronic voting.
The breakdown politically is instructive. Combining the “ very†and somewhat aware responses shows a near parity by political identification: Democrats 59.9%; Republicans 58.3%; and Independents, the highest at 63.8% awareness. Dividing the sample by political ideology shows Libertarians with the highest level of awareness concerning the risks of computerized voting, 81%, and Moderates with the lowest at 55.9%. Of interest, Liberals and those describing themselves as Very Conservative were nearly identical in their awareness at 62.7% and 61% respectively.
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Near Universal Demand to See the Votes Counted
In some states, members of the public have the right to view the counting of votes and verify how that process is working. In other states, citizens are in effect barred from viewing vote counting even if they would like to view the process. Which of the following two statements are you more likely to agree with – A or B?
Statement A: Citizens have the right to view and obtain information about how election officials count votes. 91.8%
Statement B: Citizens do not have the right to view and obtain information about how elections officials count votes. 5.9
Neither/Not sure 2.3
Most all likely voters (92%) agree that citizens have the right to view and obtain information about how election officials’ count votes (Statement A). Just 6% feel citizens do not have this right (Statement B).
Four fifths of respondents within every demographic group selected the right for citizen review and access, Statement A. This includes overwhelming majorities of both Kerry (92.8%) and Bush supporters (90.8%); independents (96.9%); Catholics (92.8%), Protestants (90.8%), Jews (87.2%), and those with no religious affiliation (93.3%); and two points above the average, NASCAR fans, 93.9%.
If and when citizens begin demanding this widely assumed option, they will be gravely disappointed. Viewing vote counting in the era of electronic voting means something different than it did in the days of paper ballots. In the case of touch screen devices, the vote count consists of poll workers or technicians taking data tapes out of a computerized touch screen device. With optical scan ballots and voting machines, tabulation (vote counting) involves pressing a button for a total count after the special paper ballots have been scanned through the computerized scanning device.
The process of removing public review of voting and vote counting began in earnest with the 2002 Help America Vote Act. In a previous article with Paul Lehto, the clear intent to herd local and state governments into the seemingly happy pasture of touch screen voting devices is described in depth. In essence, the three step process of forcing locals to accept touch screen devices, stripping voters and government agencies of their rights to review and understand voting, and locking that system in place for the indefinite future is nearly complete.
The 2006 election represents the brave new world of electronic voting. The American people want something entirely different: free, fair, and transparent elections with full citizen participation and review. The following questions and responses provide convincing evidence to support that claim.
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Voters Opposed to Secret Software to Count Votes
With computerized electronic voting machines, votes are counted using proprietary or confidential software from corporate vendors that is not disclosed to citizens. Do you agree or disagree that it is acceptable for votes to be counted in secret without any outside observers from the public?
Agree 13.7%
Disagree 79.8
Not sure 6.5
There is overwhelming objection to vendor specific secret software used to count votes outside the purview of public observation. This is a sentiment shared by no less than 70% of the people in any sub-group in the survey. This includes every political party; political ideology; race, religion; age group; educational level; and income group. This included 85.5% of rural residents and 79.8% of NASCAR fans.
Once again, the public is in for a profound disappointment. Nearly every state and county board of elections has a contract with the voting machine vendors that prohibit access to and review of voting machine “source code,†the software that controls all of the key functions of vote counting. These contracts are freely entered into by government officials and in place for a period of months or years. Even with full access to source code, the level of expertise and manpower necessary to police malicious acts, which we know can occur, makes such disclosure a Pyrrhic victory; a distraction from the return to real ballots, counted by real people, open to full supervision and inquiry.
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The Public’s Right to Know and Their Right to Know What They Don’t Know
The Zogby Poll makes it clear that the public insists on the right to view vote counting. At 92% agreement with Statement A above, the public clearly thinks that it should have this option. There is also strong agreement that computerized voting should be transparent; that secret software, meaning secret vote counting is totally unacceptable.
What will people think and do when they find out that these rights are (a) not granted universally either in law or by custom and (b) that even if they are granted, they are virtually unobtainable due to the nature of computerized voting? Invisible ballots cannot be observed by voters. Computer software calculations cannot be observed by voters. Inquiring about and receiving information on these invisible processes requires an act of faith of epic proportions. Voters are expected to believe summary data and tables from election officials who routinely deny and/or discourage access to vote counting and who sign contracts with private vendors like Diebold, Sequoia, and ES&S, that surrender the right of officials or the public to inspect the most important software in the voting machines, the source code.
There has been a virtual media blackout on in depth coverage of these issues by the national corporate media. The work of Lou Dobbs and Catherine Crier are notable and powerful exceptions. Lou Dobbs’ coverage includes online polls that consistently show 80% and greater preference for a complete dismissal of voting machines and a return to paper ballots.
The public has the right to observe the entire election process. It’s called transparency. The public has a right to get information on how that process works in order to satisfy the requirement for free and fair elections. These rights are unavailable and the public does not even know it. If and when these issues are covered by the broader media with insight and attention, there may very well be the type of outrage at the loss of our liberties that we have seen from Lou Dobbs and Catherine Crier. That would be a most unpleasant event for those who have bargained away voting rights for the sake of a free Federal grant to buy voting machines people inherently distrust.
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Copyright. Permission to reproduce in whole or part with attribution to the author, Michael Collins, a link to “Scoop,†and attribution of polling results to Zogby International.
Michael Collins is a writer who focuses on clean elections and voting rights. He is the editor of the election fraud web site, www.ElectionFraudNews.com. He has written articles on a number of topics for “Scoop†Independent News including: The Disenfranchisement of Katrina’s Survivors; The Unanswered Question: Who Really Won In 2004? ; Secret Vote Counting, a scathing critique of HAVA; and Kennedy’s Challenge, a detailed response to Salon’s attack on the Robert F. Kennedy Jr. article on stolen election 2004. Special thanks to Stella Black for editorial assistance; Paul Lehto for very helpful suggestions; and acknowledgement and thanks to the Zogby professional (R) who did such an outstanding job summarizing complex data.
The following charts show what happens when the survey “slices” its panel into sub-groups based on seemingly unrelated questions, such as age, marital status, political philosophy, family income, virtually everything except shoe size. And it amazes this nearly frozen blogger to look at the column marked “A%”. That’s the percentage of blue for a given slice.
Most of the numbers in this column are in the 90s; the lowest is 76. This means that no matter how you slice it, the vast majority of Americans agree with one of the things The BRAD BLOG has been saying all along:
You can click on the text of a question to see a graph showing results for the slices created by that question. For instance, if you click on the word “Region“, you will see the graph that represents results by region.
Column headings for this chart are:
| Total | A | B | ns | A% | B% | ns% |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Total | 934 | 60 | 24 | 91.7% | 5.9% | 2.4% |
| Region | A | B | ns | A% | B% | ns% |
| West | 190 | 9 | 4 | 93.6% | 4.4% | 2.0% |
| Central | 290 | 15 | 10 | 92.1% | 4.8% | 3.2% |
| South | 239 | 20 | 5 | 90.5% | 7.6% | 1.9% |
| East | 214 | 16 | 4 | 91.5% | 6.8% | 1.7% |
| US direction | A | B | ns | A% | B% | ns% |
| Wrong | 560 | 34 | 9 | 92.9% | 5.6% | 1.5% |
| ns | 67 | 7 | 6 | 83.8% | 8.8% | 7.5% |
| Right | 307 | 19 | 8 | 91.9% | 5.7% | 2.4% |
| Age Group (5) | A | B | ns | A% | B% | ns% |
| 70+ | 99 | 8 | 6 | 87.6% | 7.1% | 5.3% |
| 55-69 | 185 | 10 | 4 | 93.0% | 5.0% | 2.0% |
| 35-54 | 412 | 13 | 10 | 94.7% | 3.0% | 2.3% |
| 25-34 | 161 | 8 | 2 | 94.2% | 4.7% | 1.2% |
| 18-24 | 57 | 18 | 0 | 76.0% | 24.0% | 0.0% |
| 2004 result | A | B | ns | A% | B% | ns% |
| GOP | 480 | 31 | 18 | 90.7% | 5.9% | 3.4% |
| Dem | 455 | 29 | 6 | 92.9% | 5.9% | 1.2% |
| Age group (4) | A | B | ns | A% | B% | ns% |
| 65+ | 142 | 10 | 8 | 88.8% | 6.3% | 5.0% |
| 50-64 | 224 | 11 | 4 | 93.7% | 4.6% | 1.7% |
| 30-49 | 402 | 15 | 10 | 94.1% | 3.5% | 2.3% |
| 18-29 | 147 | 22 | 0 | 87.0% | 13.0% | 0.0% |
| Education | A | B | ns | A% | B% | ns% |
| College Grad | 500 | 22 | 11 | 93.8% | 4.1% | 2.1% |
| Some College | 260 | 20 | 7 | 90.6% | 7.0% | 2.4% |
| HS Grad | 133 | 15 | 3 | 88.1% | 9.9% | 2.0% |
| didn’t grad HS | 28 | 3 | 2 | 84.8% | 9.1% | 6.1% |
| Union | A | B | ns | A% | B% | ns% |
| No/ns | 737 | 53 | 22 | 90.8% | 6.5% | 2.7% |
| Yes | 196 | 7 | 2 | 95.6% | 3.4% | 1.0% |
| Party Affiliation | A | B | ns | A% | B% | ns% |
| Republican | 329 | 31 | 17 | 87.3% | 8.2% | 4.5% |
| Independent | 256 | 6 | 3 | 96.6% | 2.3% | 1.1% |
| Democratic | 348 | 23 | 5 | 92.6% | 6.1% | 1.3% |
| Religion | A | B | ns | A% | B% | ns% |
| Catholic | 254 | 16 | 4 | 92.7% | 5.8% | 1.5% |
| Protestant | 460 | 30 | 17 | 90.7% | 5.9% | 3.4% |
| Jewish | 27 | 3 | 1 | 87.1% | 9.7% | 3.2% |
| Other/None | 189 | 12 | 2 | 93.1% | 5.9% | 1.0% |
| Born Again | A | B | ns | A% | B% | ns% |
| No/ns | 194 | 15 | 7 | 89.8% | 6.9% | 3.2% |
| Yes | 264 | 15 | 10 | 91.3% | 5.2% | 3.5% |
| Armed Forces | A | B | ns | A% | B% | ns% |
| No/ns | 767 | 49 | 22 | 91.5% | 5.8% | 2.6% |
| Yes | 165 | 11 | 2 | 92.7% | 6.2% | 1.1% |
| Ideology | A | B | ns | A% | B% | ns% |
| Libertarian | 21 | 2 | 1 | 87.5% | 8.3% | 4.2% |
| Progressive | 93 | 5 | 0 | 94.9% | 5.1% | 0.0% |
| Liberal | 151 | 11 | 2 | 92.1% | 6.7% | 1.2% |
| Moderate | 267 | 12 | 5 | 94.0% | 4.2% | 1.8% |
| Conservative | 283 | 27 | 8 | 89.0% | 8.5% | 2.5% |
| Very Conservative | 74 | 3 | 6 | 89.2% | 3.6% | 7.2% |
| Race | A | B | ns | A% | B% | ns% |
| White | 703 | 51 | 18 | 91.1% | 6.6% | 2.3% |
| Hispanic | 76 | 1 | 3 | 95.0% | 1.3% | 3.8% |
| African American | 102 | 6 | 2 | 92.7% | 5.5% | 1.8% |
| Asian | 20 | 0 | 0 | 100.0% | 0.0% | 0.0% |
| Other | 20 | 0 | 0 | 100.0% | 0.0% | 0.0% |
| NASCAR fan | A | B | ns | A% | B% | ns% |
| No/ns | 711 | 52 | 18 | 91.0% | 6.7% | 2.3% |
| Yes | 223 | 8 | 6 | 94.1% | 3.4% | 2.5% |
| Gender | A | B | ns | A% | B% | ns% |
| Female | 475 | 39 | 15 | 89.8% | 7.4% | 2.8% |
| Male | 459 | 21 | 9 | 93.9% | 4.3% | 1.8% |
| Outside-Home Wage Earner | A | B | ns | A% | B% | ns% |
| No/ns | 177 | 17 | 10 | 86.8% | 8.3% | 4.9% |
| Yes | 298 | 22 | 5 | 91.7% | 6.8% | 1.5% |
| Marital Status | A | B | ns | A% | B% | ns% |
| Married | 564 | 26 | 10 | 94.0% | 4.3% | 1.7% |
| Single | 193 | 20 | 3 | 89.4% | 9.3% | 1.4% |
| D/W/S | 158 | 14 | 10 | 86.8% | 7.7% | 5.5% |
| Civil Union | 15 | 0 | 0 | 100.0% | 0.0% | 0.0% |
| Investor Class | A | B | ns | A% | B% | ns% |
| no/ns | 478 | 29 | 18 | 91.0% | 5.5% | 3.4% |
| yes | 309 | 21 | 6 | 92.0% | 6.3% | 1.8% |
| Children under 17 | A | B | ns | A% | B% | ns% |
| No/ns | 624 | 39 | 18 | 91.6% | 5.7% | 2.6% |
| Yes | 309 | 21 | 6 | 92.0% | 6.3% | 1.8% |
| Shop at Wal-Mart | A | B | ns | A% | B% | ns% |
| Weekly | 239 | 16 | 10 | 90.2% | 6.0% | 3.8% |
| Monthly | 261 | 19 | 5 | 91.6% | 6.7% | 1.8% |
| Yearly | 246 | 16 | 5 | 92.1% | 6.0% | 1.9% |
| Never | 164 | 7 | 4 | 93.7% | 4.0% | 2.3% |
| Family Income | A | B | ns | A% | B% | ns% |
| $100K+ | 166 | 5 | 2 | 96.0% | 2.9% | 1.2% |
| $75-100K | 135 | 13 | 4 | 88.8% | 8.6% | 2.6% |
| $50-75K | 185 | 3 | 0 | 98.4% | 1.6% | 0.0% |
| $35-50K | 114 | 7 | 1 | 93.4% | 5.7% | 0.8% |
| $25-35K | 101 | 3 | 5 | 92.7% | 2.8% | 4.6% |
| <$25K | 102 | 11 | 5 | 86.4% | 9.3% | 4.2% |
| Community Size | A | B | ns | A% | B% | ns% |
| Large City | 244 | 16 | 5 | 92.1% | 6.0% | 1.9% |
| Small City | 233 | 17 | 3 | 92.1% | 6.7% | 1.2% |
| Suburbs | 177 | 9 | 8 | 91.2% | 4.6% | 4.1% |
| Rural | 277 | 19 | 7 | 91.4% | 6.3% | 2.3% |
The following chart is similar to the previous one, except it omits the questions. It shows only the various slices created by those questions, sorted according to the column “A%”.
Column headings for this chart are the same as above, plus:
So, for example, you can see here that respondents who identified their party affiliation as “Independent” made up 26% of the survey and chose “A” 96.6% of the time.
| answer | % | A | B | ns | A% | B% | ns% |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Asian | 2.0% | 20 | 0 | 0 | 100.0% | 0.0% | 0.0% |
| Other Race | 2.0% | 20 | 0 | 0 | 100.0% | 0.0% | 0.0% |
| Civil Union | 1.5% | 15 | 0 | 0 | 100.0% | 0.0% | 0.0% |
| $50-75K | 18.5% | 185 | 3 | 0 | 98.4% | 1.6% | 0.0% |
| Party: Independent | 26.0% | 256 | 6 | 3 | 96.6% | 2.3% | 1.1% |
| $100K+ | 17.0% | 166 | 5 | 2 | 96.0% | 2.9% | 1.2% |
| Union: Yes | 20.1% | 196 | 7 | 2 | 95.6% | 3.4% | 1.0% |
| Hispanic | 7.9% | 76 | 1 | 3 | 95.0% | 1.3% | 3.8% |
| Progressive | 9.6% | 93 | 5 | 0 | 94.9% | 5.1% | 0.0% |
| Age 35-54 | 42.7% | 412 | 13 | 10 | 94.7% | 3.0% | 2.3% |
| Age 25-34 | 16.8% | 161 | 8 | 2 | 94.2% | 4.7% | 1.2% |
| Age 30-49 | 41.9% | 402 | 15 | 10 | 94.1% | 3.5% | 2.3% |
| NASCAR: Yes | 23.3% | 223 | 8 | 6 | 94.1% | 3.4% | 2.5% |
| Moderate | 27.9% | 267 | 12 | 5 | 94.0% | 4.2% | 1.8% |
| Married | 58.9% | 564 | 26 | 10 | 94.0% | 4.3% | 1.7% |
| Male | 48.0% | 459 | 21 | 9 | 93.9% | 4.3% | 1.8% |
| College Grad | 52.4% | 500 | 22 | 11 | 93.8% | 4.1% | 2.1% |
| Age 50-54 | 23.5% | 224 | 11 | 4 | 93.7% | 4.6% | 1.7% |
| Wal-Mart Never | 17.2% | 164 | 7 | 4 | 93.7% | 4.0% | 2.3% |
| West Region | 19.9% | 190 | 9 | 4 | 93.6% | 4.4% | 2.0% |
| $35-50K | 12.0% | 114 | 7 | 1 | 93.4% | 5.7% | 0.8% |
| Other/No Religion | 19.9% | 189 | 12 | 2 | 93.1% | 5.9% | 1.0% |
| Age 55-69 | 19.5% | 185 | 10 | 4 | 93.0% | 5.0% | 2.0% |
| Wrong Direction | 59.2% | 560 | 34 | 9 | 92.9% | 5.6% | 1.5% |
| Blue State (Dem 2004) | 48.1% | 455 | 29 | 6 | 92.9% | 5.9% | 1.2% |
| African American | 10.8% | 102 | 6 | 2 | 92.7% | 5.5% | 1.8% |
| Catholic | 26.9% | 254 | 16 | 4 | 92.7% | 5.8% | 1.5% |
| Armed Forces: Yes | 17.5% | 165 | 11 | 2 | 92.7% | 6.2% | 1.1% |
| $25-35K | 10.7% | 101 | 3 | 5 | 92.7% | 2.8% | 4.6% |
| Party: Democratic | 36.9% | 348 | 23 | 5 | 92.6% | 6.1% | 1.3% |
| Wal-Mart Yearly | 26.2% | 246 | 16 | 5 | 92.1% | 6.0% | 1.9% |
| Small City | 24.9% | 233 | 17 | 3 | 92.1% | 6.7% | 1.2% |
| Large City | 26.0% | 244 | 16 | 5 | 92.1% | 6.0% | 1.9% |
| Liberal | 16.1% | 151 | 11 | 2 | 92.1% | 6.7% | 1.2% |
| Central Region | 30.9% | 290 | 15 | 10 | 92.1% | 4.8% | 3.2% |
| Kids under 17: Yes | 33.0% | 309 | 21 | 6 | 92.0% | 6.3% | 1.8% |
| Investor: Yes | 33.0% | 309 | 21 | 6 | 92.0% | 6.3% | 1.8% |
| Right Direction | 32.8% | 307 | 19 | 8 | 91.9% | 5.7% | 2.4% |
| Grand Total | 100.0% | 934 | 60 | 24 | 91.7% | 5.9% | 2.4% |
| Outside Wage: Yes | 31.9% | 298 | 22 | 5 | 91.7% | 6.8% | 1.5% |
| Kids under 17: No/ns | 66.9% | 624 | 39 | 18 | 91.6% | 5.7% | 2.6% |
| Wal-Mart Monthly | 28.0% | 261 | 19 | 5 | 91.6% | 6.7% | 1.8% |
| Armed Forces: No/ns | 82.3% | 767 | 49 | 22 | 91.5% | 5.8% | 2.6% |
| East Region | 23.0% | 214 | 16 | 4 | 91.5% | 6.8% | 1.7% |
| Rural | 29.8% | 277 | 19 | 7 | 91.4% | 6.3% | 2.3% |
| Born Again: Yes | 28.4% | 264 | 15 | 10 | 91.3% | 5.2% | 3.5% |
| Suburbs | 19.1% | 177 | 9 | 8 | 91.2% | 4.6% | 4.1% |
| White | 75.8% | 703 | 51 | 18 | 91.1% | 6.6% | 2.3% |
| Investor: No/ns | 51.6% | 478 | 29 | 18 | 91.0% | 5.5% | 3.4% |
| NASCAR: No/ns | 76.7% | 711 | 52 | 18 | 91.0% | 6.7% | 2.3% |
| Union: No/ns | 79.8% | 737 | 53 | 22 | 90.8% | 6.5% | 2.7% |
| Red State (GOP 2004) | 52.0% | 480 | 31 | 18 | 90.7% | 5.9% | 3.4% |
| Protestant | 49.8% | 460 | 30 | 17 | 90.7% | 5.9% | 3.4% |
| Some College | 28.2% | 260 | 20 | 7 | 90.6% | 7.0% | 2.4% |
| South Region | 25.9% | 239 | 20 | 5 | 90.5% | 7.6% | 1.9% |
| Wal-Mart Weekly | 26.0% | 239 | 16 | 10 | 90.2% | 6.0% | 3.8% |
| Born Again: No/ns | 21.2% | 194 | 15 | 7 | 89.8% | 6.9% | 3.2% |
| Female | 52.0% | 475 | 39 | 15 | 89.8% | 7.4% | 2.8% |
| Single | 21.2% | 193 | 20 | 3 | 89.4% | 9.3% | 1.4% |
| Very Conservative | 8.2% | 74 | 3 | 6 | 89.2% | 3.6% | 7.2% |
| Conservative | 31.2% | 283 | 27 | 8 | 89.0% | 8.5% | 2.5% |
| $75-100K | 14.9% | 135 | 13 | 4 | 88.8% | 8.6% | 2.6% |
| Age 65+ | 15.7% | 142 | 10 | 8 | 88.8% | 6.3% | 5.0% |
| HS Grad | 14.8% | 133 | 15 | 3 | 88.1% | 9.9% | 2.0% |
| Age 70+ | 11.1% | 99 | 8 | 6 | 87.6% | 7.1% | 5.3% |
| Libertarian | 2.4% | 21 | 2 | 1 | 87.5% | 8.3% | 4.2% |
| Party: Republican | 37.0% | 329 | 31 | 17 | 87.3% | 8.2% | 4.5% |
| Jewish | 3.0% | 27 | 3 | 1 | 87.1% | 9.7% | 3.2% |
| Age 18-29 | 16.6% | 147 | 22 | 0 | 87.0% | 13.0% | 0.0% |
| D/W/S | 17.9% | 158 | 14 | 10 | 86.8% | 7.7% | 5.5% |
| Outside Wage: No/ns | 20.0% | 177 | 17 | 10 | 86.8% | 8.3% | 4.9% |
| <$25K | 11.6% | 102 | 11 | 5 | 86.4% | 9.3% | 4.2% |
| didn’t grad HS | 3.2% | 28 | 3 | 2 | 84.8% | 9.1% | 6.1% |
| ns Direction | 7.9% | 67 | 7 | 6 | 83.8% | 8.8% | 7.5% |
| Age 18-24 | 7.4% | 57 | 18 | 0 | 76.0% | 24.0% | 0.0% |
Confused by all the numbers? Ask questions in the “comments” thread … and I will do my best to answer them.
Many thanks to Michael Collins, Paul Lehto, Zogby International, Emily and Coleen.
91.7% overall! It’s an even bigger “landslide” than what’s-his-name got!!
UPDATE: Zogby has released more data in a PDF format. Just click here. There’s a press release for Zogby too, and it’s here.
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Gnarly graphs!
That pretty much tells the story. Thanks to Paul Lehto for commissioning the survey, and for coming out of pocket to fund a good portion of it.
Anybody that wants to help defray some of the CA 50 costs should go to http://www.nosleepovers.com and click on contribute. These folks in San Diego are bending over backwards today – fighting down there – so we don’t have to fight over there [as Brad says] (in 435 congressional races nationwide). Of course, we WILL still fight “over there” in many of the contested races, but we will be much stronger and have better tools to fight with, because of CA-50 group and Paul Lehto.
Way to go San Diego Folks. And way to go Brad by being the driving force to get Paul to join the group and by pushing this so hard including at DemFest and now throughout the country on your “vacation”.
I’ll bet Desi (that doesn’t stand for Deibold Election Systems Inc. in this case) is really digging being on vacation and working the whole time!
Winter Patriot, thanks for the highly professional presentation and the additional graphs, the West Coast honorific “gnarly” is an apt description. And thanks to Emily for her contributions to this effort.
The people have spoken and they didn’t need a re-education course to know their basic rights…we’re born with them, they are not granted, nor can they be taken away for long.
Just imagine how those folks will react when they have a close race or simply want to see the votes counted. It will be a wake up call.
Taking care of transparency is a huge step. Exposing those who wish to contract the franchise in order to keep “certain people” from voting (i.e., poor, minorities) is the next task.
BradBlog is a center of productive, essential activity in the fight against election fraud. “Scoop” Independent Media is also a great supporter of the fight, since 2002. The election thieves should take a look at BradBlog and “Scoop” and just turn themselves in. 😉
Thank you again for all you do, thank you Emily, and ongoing thanks and admiration for Brad Friedman, the tireless sentinel of democracy.
The graphic breakdown for NASCAR fan is amusing. It’s good to know that people who enjoy auto racing WILL NOT feel left out now over the question of our electoral process and DEMOCRACY IN CRISIS here in the states.
While most Americans are still blindly under the assumption our government is “a government of the people,” most at Bradblog are aware this is NOT THE WAY THINGS ARE BEING RUN IN THIS COUNTRY ANYMORE BY THE CRIMINAL THUGS IN POWER.
Verifiable ballots are a nice concept though.
The Bushit administration goon squad and the Democratic party which has been entirely complicent outside a few like John Conyers Jr. have not even made this an issue because they don’t want to FIX THIS UNCONSTITUTION SYSTEM OF ELECTING PEOPLE TO OFFICE IN SECRACY BASED ON FAITH. The corporate interests represented by the current people in office are not complaining although no break down for corporations opinion on this poll???
Come November there are still 22 STATES that will not even produce a paper ballot trail for our government issued electronic voting machines paid for with taxpayers dollars.
Lets give Iraq more US Democracy and to quote G. W. Bushit from yesterday “we will be in Iraq as long as he is President” although he acknowledged no WMD or ties to the 911 job his administration. orchestrated.
This was the basis for the Commander In Chief bUSH’s pre-emptive strike. Over 250,000 dead Iraqi CIVILIANS and counting.
{Ed Note: Comment removed. Disinformation.}
cOMMENT #5 Leftover from the previous thread? The national press club? That’s got a nice corporate mass media ring to it. Don’t like Clint Curtis eh. Well i’ll tell you Pastor Blount and brother Gehrke, when i heard him speak across from the Capital on January 6th, 2005 when the robots in Congress accepted the rigged electors from the following swing states of Fl, OH, NV, and NM it wasn’t about how Clint helped steal votes.
On the contrary, he EXPOSED publically how he was asked by Feeney how it could be accomplished so the democratic party couldn’t steal an election. Still a nieve Conservative card carrying Republican at that point in time, Nasa computer programer Clint honored Tom Feeney’s request which only took him a matter of minutes. Without recanting his entire story here, why do think he would risk his life EXPOSING these corrupt bastards on that day??? Perhaps some guilt over the truth (possibly) however, this man took matters in his own hands after learning the reality about how this information was used. This has been further evidenced by a lie detector test and an affidavit that i believe can be viewed archived at this site.
While i believe people can believe in whatever religion they want as long as it ain’t hurting anyone, election outcomes should not be based entirely on the FAITH of convicted felons who count the votes in SECRECY.
VOTE FOR CLINT CURTIS!!!
This is good news. It will be interesting to see if it gets any air time in the MSM. Maybe Dobbs will air it.
OT…..LeftisBest Tried to contact you via the address you posted for me on the tread, Could not get it to work. Visited the main site and registered and will explore it further tonight. If you have access to their files look for MEP and drop me a line. Thanks for the invite, looks like a good group of people.
All, I have a question. In light of the issues with voter fraud these past years, I’ve been going back and forth with other liberals on another site who say that our democracy is so much of a sham that they they refuse to vote. I argued that we need to vote and be ready to litigate and protest a stolen election as they have done in the Ukraine and are doing now in Mexico. I’m not even sure if they’re really liberals or right wing shills trying to demoralize other posters from voting.
My question. Have you all given up on voting as well or are you going to continue to vote and also take steps to protect our electoral process.
Brad if you’re reading this I’m curious to hear your thoughts as well.
Thanks
#8……NONBELIEVER
If we don’t vote and strive for fair elections we might as well shutup or leave the country. I’m not capable of the first and too much of a mule to consider the latter.
Sorry, but is it really necessary to remove comments because of “disinformation?” I think most people on this blog are intelligent enough to screen out disinformation for themselves without censorship, and I for one am curious about what the dude had to say. (Know your enemies, and keep them close.)
{Ed Note: Yes, Brock, it is, because not everyone can discern that it is disinformation, and we don’t want to advance it. –99}
92%? 92%? WTF is wrong with the other 8%? I can understand why the 0.05% doesn’t want the vote count verified by anybody but there is something seriously wrong with the other 7.95% who did not care if their vote was correctly accounted for.
Yes, because “Disinformation” is not a real word. The world is uncovering the fact AIPAC was behind the election fraud all along. This opens up the wound that Zionist Jews are who did this, and we will have it proven. “Zionist Jews” are for the most part neocons. Yet typical real Jews, like those in Hollywood, can not deal with those flat facts or many other facts. Thus the term “Disinformation” is applied as a scapegoat. The authorities are all working on this. Disinformation is the word created by the same criminals, to hide from everyone especially real Jews the actual crimes they commit. The correct term is misinformation. None of which we have ever provided.
{Ed Note: To clarify, “disinformation” is a word, in the dictionary, and it implies any possibly, and all certainly, intentional misinformation articulated in any way. “Misinformation” is also a word and it implies information that is simply wrong, without the intent to deceive being attached to the term. I submit that few can be completely innocent of misinformation, anywhere, because you have to know you’re wrong before you can eradicate it from your speech and writing. Disinformation, or deliberate misinformation, is quite simply not allowed at Brad Blog. Period. –99}
# 8 Voting is SOOOOO not enough. That’s not the issue. Of COURSE we must vote. But we already have the majority (the same one we have always had since before 2000.) The point is — We must organize, educate, connect with others, monitor the polls, demand open voting, INSIST on accountability, and declare NO CONFIDENCE in the face of fraud and secrecy!!!! There is no other option. It’s democracy or hypocrisy. Watch this:
http://blip.tv/file/59950?file_type=flv
and then organize now at http://www.electiondefenseaction.org
…we must either do this, or we will get (keep) the government we deserve.
Ginny Ross
Election Defense Alliance
http://www.electiondefensealliance.org
Ginny and MEP thanks for your replies. I agree with both of you.
I understand that voting by itself isn’t enough. I’m talking about people that refused to vote altogether. There is no way I could ever concede my vote. I don’t care if it’s on a Diebold machine or not. We have to fight for this democracy every step of the way. That includes registering voters, becoming poll watchers and demanding a fair vote. In fact, I used the same words that you used. We get the government we deserve. I’m not giving any ground to these vote rigging democracy stealing SOB’s.
nonbeliever: #8
Paul asked me to post this for him:
We actually measured REASONS for non-voting in the Zogby poll, instead of the usual routine of hanging up on people who are not registered to vote (or say they are not registered, at least).
AMONG NONVOTERS, only 5% stated (even though it was choice #1) that they were nonvoters OR not likely to vote because they don’t trust the counting or the elections process. So, the prevalence of this view is not extremely high, but it is there.
My answer would be that if they don’t vote at all (and make them steal the vote, at least potentially) then there’s nothing wrong in terms of a crime or fraud, there’s only the continuing nontransparency…. I’d encourage them to vote and use it as a chance to register a complaint or concern with the pollworkers and talk about the process.
In the end, if you don’t vote you may lose not only your vote but your right to state an opinion. Pollsters hang up usually on nonvoters because they don’t matter to politicians,and if elections aren’t real then politicians don’t listen to “voters” either. That’s the consequence of a stolen election then, ZERO possibility of government listening to You. But by not voting, you’ve made sure the chance of government listening to you is Zero, and you’ve done that voluntarily yourself. You’re a citizen-suicide, so to speak, but it doesn’t send any kind of message or solve any kind of problem, it doesn’t even end the pain.
So please vote, don’t hand back in what many worked for centuries to achieve. Use your knowledge and doubts about the process to educate and protest so that your participation in the system is a recognition of the fact that it is YOUR INALIENABLE VOTE that can never be taken away, it can only be temporarily non-recognized. But that non-recognition of your vote, provided you *force* them to take it from you, is to the enternal democratic shame of anyone who took it away.
If you believe in democracy, Christmas, Hanukuh, Kwanzaa or the Solstice, you still celebrate it even if it’s been commercialized or demeaned or eviscerated, and you work to restore it to what it really means.
— Paul Lehto
Back to comment #5: personally i agree that you should allow some of the sh*t people post here to be ignored or obliterated by bloggers instead of edited. That’s what i like about blogs. Tearing apart disinformation, misinformation or complete lies to get to the truth.
That particular post had all the earmarks of someone who forgot to take their meds although i welcome these types to return for the abuse. Repeat offenders deserve fair warning to be edited otherwise let ’em go.
Comment #12: i hate all people equally and i suppose this gives me a leg up on the average person. My point is maybe there is a degree of truth in your post however i would bet the house that your comment is prejudice stereotypical misinformation. Of all the types of people, jews socially always seem to get the blame historically as the #1 scapegoat of all time. Pretty funny considering Jesus was Jewish.
Now tell me you racist fck: How many Hebrews do you know? How many jewish people in Hollywood do you know? How many jewish polls have you taken to evidence the generalization of what percent of jewish people are neo-cons?
Finally, what evidence can you provide that a group of jewish people born jewish or practice the religion called Judeism have anything to do with electronic voting machines, the creation of these machines, the ownership of these machines or the U.S. government decision to sell to machines to the people of the United States to count our vote?
One more thing: Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld, Rice, Gonzalez, and all the past and present destructors in the Bushit cabinet and his administration as well as the Secretary of State in Florida Catherine Harris(2000 election) and Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell (2004 election) are mainly NOT JEWS unless they have secretly converted. While these usless lying criminal murderers like to have their votes counted in secrecy, i don’t suppose the majority listed have secretly converted to zionist judeism you hateful racist bastard. Bring it on and enlighten me!
Typical joker of blame the messenger. 90% of the hebrews I know are Torah Jews, and despise the Zionists with all their hearts.
However only 50% of them believe the Zionists are behind the fraud, that includes 7/10 famous writers such as Doctor Henry Makow and Barry Chamish.
They can-not comprehend or even “allow” themselves to understand, that the Zionists would do this to elections. Their own prejudice dismisses it as conspiracy theory.
This is a blatant “defense” mechanism, as any real thinking man has uncovered this is real. And that Zionists are not even true Jews but belong to a cult, known as Ludbavitch Zionism.
Once uncovering this fact, they gradually begin to settle themselves. Because it is a known fact internationally, that 90% of the neocons are Ludbavitch Zionists. And although uncomfortable, millions of Jews are now talking about it. Including the Ludbavitch Zionist Katherine Harris, in fact.
And further, your comments reek of the real racist remarks and they will never further the debate. Most of our colleagues would enforce the fact with proof, that the Zionists, the Neocons are in control of things & despise the real jews to pieces. Most of the real jews including those I know, demonstrate against their criminal actions. And now they are beginning to figure out that, Todd Urosovich the owner of the voting company Diebold is himself a Ludbavitcher and so are the others. And because every aspect of the voting conspiracy, the brainwashing we display on our website has to do with Zionism…that is why its hard to accept. And further now that there are millions listening to the radio, they accept it too. Should you ever want to know what this is really about email me, do not waste my time on this or other blogs.
Winter Patriot, thanks for posting Paul’s response.
Paul, thanks for your reply. Much appreciated and well said.
Jews Jews Jews
the jews did it. i don’t think so. i think you’re the one who’s brainwashed. While i ain’t no expert on jewism, growing up i have know a fair # of jewish people and jewish families. Jewish people are generally good people. Some are smart and have a strong sense of accomplishment which is why they are relatively successful in many different fields while making up a small percentage of the overall population. They have produced many great people in all aspects of human life. Jew religion is based on the old testiment, a belief in one God, and traditions they practice throughout the year. Maybe you need to watch Fiddler on the Roof or something?
Is ES&S and Sequoia jewish owned machines? I didn’t know Catherine Harris was jewish but i would dislike her work all the same if she was an Islamic Fascist (a term only Bush could come up with because it’s not possible).
i am aware there have been some jews like scooter Libby in the Bushit administration. Bush and Cheney are not jewish. These criminals orchestrated 911, and led the U.S. military to war based on lies. These illuminati oil barrons and their energy policies are gonna cause the deaths of millions of humans and thousands of specie extinction around the world unless HUMANS radically change their ways REAL QUICK.
Bush, Rove, Cheney and all these other liers POLITICIANS DO NOT have little jewish voices in their greedy lying heads controlling their actions but even if they did i would still want them to spend the rest of their lives in jail. Hate to rain on your Hitlerian parade fraud exposer but if it wasn’t for Brad’s patriotic efforts and his tireless work to fix our U.S. DEMOCRACY IN CRISIS we’d be in even worse sh*t. sIEGE hEIL
Oh for pete’s sake, the real lie about the Illuminati is that it was started by some Satanist fallen Jews like Rothschild and Rockefeller. Yes, it was started by the Ludbavitch Zionists.
Yet all the Gentiles, brainwashed individuals and or Fallen Jews that are a part of this cult have admitted to being Ludbavitch Zionists that are inside the illuminati.
{Ed note: Deleted link to page with racist speech. –99}
So yes, most of the neocons or Ludbavitch Zionists are fallen Jews especially Katherine Harris and/or Both Todd/Bob Urosovich, Mortham. Sequoia’s true owners and dozens of others. This does not in any form lay the crime at the foot of Judaism or “the jews” as the illuminati likes to scapegoat them.
You have to read the full picture first, and get an ultimate understanding of the operation. Both satanist factions, fallen jew or gentile worship satanic literature which you will only find by talking to experts. And they use that literature to brainwash people in order to commit crimes, fraud, and mass violence. {xxxxx xxxxxx} is one of those, that’s what the Church Pastors are telling you. There are plenty of Ludbavitch Zionists all over this conspiracy, and 50% of them have no connection to Judaism, the other half already left Judaism for the biggest portion.
The “Neocons” want you to believe Zionism is Judaism, and neither have ever been the same or have anything to do with eachother either. That is why they win by division. But it would be a grave mistake in discounting Israel, as well as the Ludbavitch’s role in all of this. That is what the world is waking up to.
And you will go through books or texts, and find Howard Ahmanson and many other voting machine owners are for a fact Ludbavitch Zionists. That’s their only connecting thread too, with Pat Robertson and the rest who are all fallen Jewish, Christian heretics that have still the same beliefs about a “New Middle East”. Everything else the news says is cloaked with lies and propaganda.
Don’t waste my time on a hostile censorship blog, email me as I said or simply don’t address me again.
{Ed Note: Anyone who posts a comment on this blog invites others to address them. If you don’t like it, either work it out with your interlocutors, or cease and desist from posting at Brad Blog. Certainly, cool it with the inflammatory speech. –99}
Grizzly Bear Dancer
I don’t think you read Fraud Exposed’s comment closely enough the first time. The distinction was drawn between Zionists and Jews. It was not racist. And please refrain from personal attacks.
Fraud Exposed
Please do not escalate.
We can talk tough here, but let’s remember not to call each other names, and sometimes to read more carefully. This actually enhances the meaning of the Brad Blog injunction against disinformation. Even those who feel they can spot it and deal with it themselves often miss it, and insidious information is planted. That is why we try to delete it when we find it, and/or correct it when we may have furthered it.
This is a free speech zone, but not a free-for-all. Decorum, friends! Even us tinfoil hat wearers must strive for decorum! Especially when we are arguing such weighty matters.
Thank you one and all for your patience and forbearance.
Then again, Agent99, maybe Fraud Exposed should be made aware that “Don’t waste my time on a hostile censorship blog, email me as I said or simply don’t address me again. is not the way things work on this blog.
Personally, I think Fraud Exposed is a living example of the adage that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing. Damn little in his case. (Note that I did not say that he is entirely wrong, just limited to the point of uselessness.)
Is this related to the Zogby poll? I don’t remember? 🙂
Help!
Winter or anyone – I have new computer – now the blog is shrunk way too small – what was that key combination to enlarge the fonts?
Oh, and now for the first time the blog is green for me – always been black before!
Hey Ed – Thanks for wiping up after #5. 😉
{I think it’s “control +” on PCs, BB2. –99}
Arry
Good points. Guess I missed the please-don’t-waste-my time bit, but maybe it came out after the personal attack? I’ll try to muster the eyeball power to check, but I’m stumping for upholding the few rules for commenting that we have, while remembering that everyone is pretty het-up about what this fucking piece of shit administration and this fucking piece of shit congress have wrought.
I want the quality of our discourse to rise, not devolve into mud wrestling and flame wars for no good reason. The distinction between Zionism (practiced by people of a few different religious sects, including Fundamentalist Christian) and Judaism is a VITAL one to make.
It is politically correct to dis anyone daring to take issue with Zionists and Israelists on the basis of it being racist. IT IS NOT. Too many are too touchy about the references. This IS a fit discussion for all of us to be having… even as it does not bear on the post that started this thread.
UPDATE: 9:30ish Good grief! No wonder Grizz was so pissed off. While I’m glad I missed the fireworks earlier, I’m already sick to death of trying to deal with the land mines in all this stuff.
THE WHOLE DAMN DISPUTE BETTER BE ON CIVILIZED FOOTING NOW!!! You guys really don’t want to see me when I’m mad! No trouble banning hate mongering here! Got that guys?
Thanks, Arry, for waking me up!
Edit: The name has been changed to “whistleblower”
It is not tinfoil hat what he’s saying, but that’s how most Orthodox Jews and others treated it when they first heard it.
It’s very real and very dangerous what he’s talking about. Which is why we have such an affront to discussing the issue like this on blogs, who truly do not have an understanding of what Zionism is.
We have seen more than enough evidence, and listened to recordings about this case. The Church is talking about, loudly now something that has been debated in over 26 states.
If the whistleblower in question had truly been lying, these confirmed agents of the Mossad would not have tortured him or had reason to torture him. If you check {xxxxxxxx}, they did torture him and the pictures were archived for proof.
Most of these pictures depict severely horrid wounds on his legs, and other areas. And so it may have taken a while, but this conspiracy is being exposed. And it did start overseas with {xxxxxx xxxxxxx}, where it only continued from there with the neocons or zionists.
They were not only best friends, but in constant contact. And any of those who said they knew nothing about this and that it was some “con-job”, lied to multiple authorities. We have discussed this evidence in great detail, and other emails that only law enforcement has seen which show {xxxxx xxxxx} brainwashed kids. The torture and committed programs did in fact occur, on a nationwide basis and did use actual felons.
The fact that this sort of extensive conspiracy has been shunned, except in the Washington Post tells you all you need to know. There is even affidavits to verify who told what whom while being “imprisoned”.
Due to so many of these relevant factors, and the exposure it has laid on Zionism it has taken the world a great deal longer. But not as long as americans, to truly accept this. And I concur with the above, email the individuals if you wish to know. Or have a real idea of why this conspiracy, one based on fanatics, has been so covered up and yet is still real.
#25, No Tinfoil Needed
Your comment makes no sense, and maybe because it is about deleted disinformation, but I think it would be more constructive if you give an account of what is Zionism before discussing fabulous tales of torture, and since you are naming names, possibly on something deleted earlier for being disinformation, I’m taking out the names you name. Sorry.
Please don’t post about this again if it in fact refers to what has been deleted on these grounds, and sorry if I have misunderstood you.
Thank you.
Gladly, here is a full expose of what Zionism is from those who were Zionists.
{Ed Note: Link to racist speech deleted. There are far better ways to draw the distinction between Zionism and Judaism, and those are welcome here. –99}
Erase his reference to scapegoat “normal” jews and replace them with satanists, give it a good couple of reads.
You should start getting the picture.
Now, any other questions including relating to actual names you should address to the poster above. When you understand the conspiracy originates overseas in the United Kingdom, you can come to grips with the story the whistleblower is saying is true.
We have enough people that have verified it wasn’t misinformation, and verified the abuse. Good day.
#24 — Agent99 — I agree that the subject of Zionism is a fit subject to discuss. I agree that there is an absurdly powerful Zionist lobby in this country. I agree radical Zionism is dangerous. I did not accuse Fraud Exposed of being anti-Semitic.
However, he did say in #12, for example, “Yet typical real Jews, like those in Hollywood, can not deal with those flat facts or many other facts. Thus the term “Disinformation” is applied as a scapegoat. Does Fraud Exposed have a history of the term “disinformation” that he can share with us? Also, he is obviously speaking of Brad. What the hell does he know of Brad’s views on the issue. Is he saying the term “disinformation” is a tag that shows Brad cannot deal with the facts? (Let’s see that history of the term again.)
I mean, if we are to take his posts seriously we have to deal with the specific things that he says, not the fact that he is “exposing Zionism” which we may or may not agree with. It’s not like we come to the truth through cheerleaders on each side. (Sorry, but “email me” is not good enough for me.) Take what FE said one by one, point by point – and Fraud Exposed didn’t enlighten anyone who has any intellectual rigor.
So, what exactly are we talking about? Zionists behind election fraud? Yes, I’ve seen some evidence (not tipping the scales of many other factors, however.) Katherine Harris is a Ludbavitch Zion – is it true?, can it be taken as evidence of Zionist vote rigging evidence other than in the circular argument that Zionists are behind election fraud?
But are we talking about a larger Zionist conspiracy? Seems to me FE says we are. In which case, we have to (I’m sorry for the people who like simple answers) take into consideration a whole complex of factors – the Bush family, shrinking numbers and greater wealth of the power elite, the technology of marketing, corporate usurpation of education and governance, political strategy beginning with the “Southern Strategy”, the Advertising Council and U.S. Chamber of Commerce, and a hundred other things.
I’m asking for clarity, historical perspective, and a little Socratic questioning. We are not in a contest between the “people who see what’s really happening” and “brainwashed people”. We should be in a process of determining the truth. We can’t start out the discussion already knowing the answers. There are robust and vital ways to uncover the truth or at least probabilities.
Meantime, we can assert ourselves . It is an easy route to say we are all pawns. That’s for weak people.
Hey, that was some great Zogby poll, wasn’t it? 🙂 Just funnin’, 99.
Arry, dear, I just went through this whole damn thread, and made edits wherever I found boils. Please skim and see what I did. Will probably be up all night, battling the maniacs. Sigh.
Well, that sure was some Zogby poll! But the graphs were spectacular! They were GNARLY!!!!! I made the first comment before I finally got to sleep “last night” and what a mess to wake up to.
There does seem to be mounting evidence that Zionism is behind quite a bit of what ails our country, and others, now, and just as there are ways to distinguish between Islamic Fundamentalist Fanatics and the rest of Islam, or the countries where it flourishes, there is a way to discuss Zionism, the movement for the expansion and empowerment of Israel above all else, that clearly distinguishes between anti-Zionism and racism. Unfortunately, most of the people trying to get on this subject today have not done a good job with that. 🙁
The Zogby press release will now come out Wednesday at noon, EST. Any hoping press will pick up should look on Thursday and most likely Friday for starters.
My dear Agent99 –Please don’t think I was really advising you on how to do your job. I’d be a nutcase after a couple of hours of dealing with this stuff.
P.S. I love you when you’re mad. (Oh God, is she going to call me a cad?!)
Paul
Thank you so much for the update, and bless your heart for your good work! xoxoxox
Arry
I’m glad you pointed out what I missed Arry. Thank goodness I don’t usually have to read this carefully to catch up on the threads, and I’m really glad you made me pay closer attention! (You cad!)
In #28, I said. ” can it be taken as evidence of Zionist vote rigging evidence . In other words, if there is evidence of evidence, we’d better pay attention! Uhhh…I think.
I’m getting punchy. Good night.
Agent99 @ #23
Thanks, that’s it. Tried everything I could think of but that one!
This new ‘puter rocks! Spent all evening registering and updating the software. And look! All my letters are here!
LOL 😉
I don’t know where this thread has gone to, I’ll just sit back and watch this one!
Bluebear2
Would that I could just sit back on this thread! Someone who seemed drunk showed up on an earlier thread, and I guess a lot of fiery pseudo-Christian linkage and raving started up there, and moved over here. It’s still coming in, needing the old MTTBBB treatment! 😛
Congratulations on your new machine! Now, if it will just help you keep the letters in the right order, we’re cooking on all our cylinders!
Agent99
“Now, if it will just help you keep the letters in the right order” LOL 🙂
Damn, I’m still up playin’ with this thing – Sheesh, I’ve got to get up at 5:00 for work.
Good night now my dear friend and don’t scrub your fingers to the bone cleaning up around here – it sure has gotten ugly all of a sudden.
Where the hell’s the off button!?
BB2
Off buttons are declasse nowadays. You go to the “start” menu and select “Shut Down” or “Sleep” or whatever Gatesian terminology is current. Then you do have to use the “on” button to restart, but you wouldn’t be posting if you didn’t know where that was. 😛 Sweet dreams, big blue bear.
Oh boy. This is getting ridiculous.
I LOVE ZOGBY AND PAUL LEHTO!
How come Zogby polling seems to make sense and none of the other polling does? Funny how Zogby seems to mesh up with the live polls they do on the Dobbs show concerning voting problems.
55% of the American people think Bush is doing a good job on the war on Terror! GET OUT OF HERE!
I was just comparing the Zogby poll taken in August 2004. Very interesting I must say.
https://bradblog.com/?p=403
RE my #28 — Let me make it clear – it probably is, but I was running of one cylinder last night and not very coherent – that when I said But are we talking about a larger Zionist conspiracy? Seems to me FE says we are. In which case, we have to (I’m sorry for the people who like simple answers) take into consideration a whole complex of factors I’m not saying those other factors that are part of a Zionist conspiracy. I’m saying there are all kinds of factors not explained by Zionism that have brought us to where we are right now and that it is a dead end to ignore wider historical factors.
Enough of that. I really didn’t want to start the morning on this again!
Agent99 #38
LOL – more a reference to my off button!
I always thought it rather ridiculous to click “Start” to turn off.
Hit the snooze bar 4 times, in zomby land now.
Yo Fraud Exposed in the light:
Satanist and Zionist cospiracy huh??? i ain’t gonna email you. If you got a some bullshit to spread along with your hate, say it here buddy. Tell all at Bradblog!!! As far as i’m concerned your nuthing but a small minded racist. I judge a human/s by what they say and their actions as individuals regardless of their race, color, and religeous preference.
FRAUD EXPOSED:
Someone/some people who have lead the #1 superpower in the world to war based on lies are all criminal murderers.
People who perpetuate the use of voting machines which can rig the outcome WITHOUT A VERIFIABLE PAPER TRAIL BALLOT TO EVIDENCE THE WINNER IS NOT IN COMPLIANCE OF AMERICAN RIGHTS TO HAVE FREE AN LEGITIMATE ELECTIONS AND are part of a corrupt system of government.
This is why the majority of Democratic enablers now in CONGRESS are part of the problem AND this is not an issue to Nancy Pelosi and co..
The #1 issue facing real Americans and citizens of the world is our ENVIRONMENT IN CRISIS.
Americans must rejected the government appointed 911 findings of coverups and lies. Congress must get the confiscated Pentagon videos, the laws which gave Rumsfeld/Cheney in control of an air defense which stood down and the 7 different version of what they were doing and the 4 coordinated military air exercises that coincidently happened that day. Finally, the 3 controlled demolitions of WT1,II and #7.
John Conyers Jr. had to hold the Downing Street Memo hearings in the basement. Impeach and jail the Bushit administration.
The majority of individuals in power are known as the Republican party not the Zionist party or the Satanist party. They gained their power in U.S. elections where the question of if they were stolen is a concern to all American voters. Correction of this illegitimate system is blatently being ignored and obstructed by the governed in power. The majority in the Bushit administration and Democratic minority party as well as the humans appointed by Bush are part of a neo-con agenda AND NOT JEWISH. So you can take all your anti-jewish hate and save it for your secret hate society mutherfcker or start calling individuals responsible out with hard evidence.
Nonbeliever, #14 et al. —
whenever you are confronted with a person who refuses to vote, or advances any similar notion because they don’t believe it matters, impress upon them that their eyes and ears are desperately needed on the ground to watch for irregularities, malfunctions, “glitches”, disenfranchisement, intimidation, illegality and unethical behavior.
there is no other way to cover every precinct in the nation, to ensure that all problems are identified, reported, and recorded. in a court of law, secondhand anecdotal evidence doesn’t count — but eyewitnesses do.
this election is ALL HANDS ON DECK for those who love their country. EVERYONE is needed at the polls, as poll watchers, poll workers, election judges, etc. — but most especially as VOTERS. no matter what their political stripe may be, transparent and honest elections are a non-partisan issue and we need everybody watching.
the DNC has created a huge phone bank to record voters’ actual complaints across the country, at 888-DEM-VOTE. spread the word, and encourage everyone who is eleigble to vote to register, register their friends, and to keep an eye out for anything skeevy.
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Just like when John Kerry said and i quote,”every vote will be counted.” He had war chests full of money that could have been used to investigate. The OHIO DEMOCRATIC PARTY stood in the backround far far away from what Secretary of State and Co Chair to the Bush/cheney re-election campaign Kenneth Blackwell and co. did to rig and obstruct the recount brought about by the David Cobb (Green Party Presidential candidate)and the Libertarian Presidential candidate who requested a recount.
As the Ohio Free Press covered all the evidence of electronic fraud and massive humanistic fraud in the election and subsequent recount, Kerry was silent.
The OHIO DEMOCRATIC WEB SITE showed the recount produced 385 votes gained for loser Kerry.
For people who read the mass media printed material read the archieved Rolling Stone article (www.rollingstone.com ) by Robert Kennedy Jr. who spells out ALL THE WAYS THE 2004 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION WAS STOLEN IN OHIO which came out 3 months ago. Blogs were on top of the stolen election when it occurred.
DEMOCRATIC PARTY..NO COMMENT
JOHN KERRY..NO COMMENT
Word up: New OHIO legislation now makes it nearly in for a candidate to afford an election recount unless they have moneybags of cash like the DEMOCRATIC PARTY who virtually DID NOT get involved less Kerry’s lawyers who showed up to court on a few blatently obvious fraudulent obstructions which the Green party uncovered.
Most of the Democratic party of enablers in Washington are part of the Republican party dubya’d the REPUBLIDEM PARTY.
Dial: REP UBL-IDEM