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  1. 7)
    Bluebear2 said on 7/25/2006 @ 12:09pm PT: [Permalink]

    czaragorn said here:

    “…then all simultaneously focus our reflector plates (I do so hope your models have functional reflector plates) on the West Wing – we can “smoke the scoundrels out”!”

    Perfect – all we need is the distance from the fence to the West Wing and from there we can figure out the focal point and build our parabolic reflector plates.

    We can start off by burning the Constitution into the side wall.

    Then a 40 foot tall ITMFA

  2. 11)
    Bluebear2 said on 7/25/2006 @ 12:39pm PT: [Permalink]

    Boy am I glad Viacom bought the local CBS station so I don’t have to listen to this crap every night!

    Actualy I usualy changed the channel at that point – still trying to get the shoe sole marks off the screen!

  3. 14)
    big dan said on 7/25/2006 @ 2:05pm PT: [Permalink]

    I wanted to mention this, there is a group called “Combatants for Peace”, Democracy NOW! is reporting on. They are former Israeli military and former Palestinian fighters, who got this group together, and are against the fighting, and believe they can reach agreement through peaceful means. I don’t think you’ll see this on corporate TV, because they WANT war for more $$$. If you have the time, please watch this 20 minute or so interview, with Amy Goodman, with a former Israeli captain pilot, and former Fatha Palestinian fighter, who are now friends and got this group going. They also call them selves “Refuseniks”… It’s very interesting, and also wonderful, and they don’t want you to know this is going on. They won’t cover it…both sides make some very interesting comments, see for yourself…

    Combatants For Peace: Former Israeli and Palestinian Fighters Talk About Why Dialogue, Not War, Will Solve the Middle East Crisis

    http://www.democracynow.org/art.../07/24/1439247

    You have to be insane not to ban ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, & FOX…and not watch the real news Democracy NOW! On DISH 9410 & 9415…and DirecTV 375. You’re part of the problem if you’re not…

  4. 17)
    Agent99 said on 7/25/2006 @ 2:57pm PT: [Permalink]

    Hey! I woke up to some awful and creepy news in my inbox this “morning”:

    After more than a decade of working with The Moscow and St. Petersburg Times, Chris Floyd was “let go” today by the new {Ed Note: A later email to me explained that it had NOT been a new editor. So if you email, please don’t make that mistake. –99} editor – who wrote Chris;

    “The column no longer fits in with our plans.”

    That’s it, after 10 years of the column, 12 years overall with the paper. One day to the next.

    It’s over.

    After August 11, Floyd will no longer be published in The Moscow or St. Petersburg Times.

    Chris Floyd, whose webpage Empire Burlesque many of us know and love, would seem to be getting the treatment, the old clean-the-media-of-that-subversive-truth-stuff treatment, at work… on the very same day he publishes the third edition of Empire Burlesque — High Crimes and Low Comedy in the Bush Imperium.

    I’m gonna email the editors@themoscowtimes.com and tell them how I feel about this. I’m not going to swear. I’m pretty sure I won’t use profanity. But I am SO sick of this stuff. Maybe I’ll let the editor know that stepping straight into fascistic conformism isn’t the best way to go.

    Damn! Double damn… Quintuple damn!!!!!

  5. 18)
    Agent99 said on 7/25/2006 @ 3:07pm PT: [Permalink]

    czaragorn and BB2

    Golly. I think we definitely need the blue slooshy ice packs to insulate our new ultra tin foil hat weapon, and I think the reflector plates will need enhancement to cover that distance in a focused way.

    Put this together with the time machine research I’m doing with Peg, and, well, who would have believed that the answers to our political ills live in the realm of science (fiction)?

    Where’s MacGyver when you need him!!!!!

  6. 20)
    Dredd said on 7/25/2006 @ 4:03pm PT: [Permalink]

    Agent99 what up?

    WP thanx for the OT bro … sorta … now I gotta try to figure out sumpin to say …

    YOU IN THE WHITE HOUSE
    COME OUT WITH YOUR HANDS UP !!!!!!

    yeah 😉 … thanks WP …

  7. 21)
    Bluebear2 said on 7/25/2006 @ 4:04pm PT: [Permalink]

    Agent99 asked:

    “Where’s MacGyver when you need him!!!!!”

    He already has one of those time/space portals and steps through it regularly!

  8. 22)
    big dan said on 7/25/2006 @ 4:26pm PT: [Permalink]

    The “other” great news on TV: The INN Report…ONLY…on FSTV (free speech tv, DISH 9415 @ 6:30pm Mon-Fri)… Today, they talk about DIEBOLD and quote some of Brad’s friends, and report on the Israeli’s using white phosphorus on civilians………

    http://innworldreport.net/video...hp?2006-07-25n

    30 minute news…

  9. 23)
    Agent99 said on 7/25/2006 @ 4:30pm PT: [Permalink]

    Dredd

    Danged if I can say. So much going on out there, and it keeps hopping in front of me, got my eyeprints all over things discouraging and encouraging — trying to focus on the fundamental meaning of these words — not get, or stay, discouraged. Did get to help edit a piece coming soon to Brad Blog last night, and that helps a lot on the outlook, keeping the courage up. And, here at coastal fog central, where I labored long to find a place to bask in said fog, it is 86 degrees out, and I’m trying hard not to succumb to the heat.

    You?

    BB2

    Of course! Silly me. I have no tv and tend to forget this stuff.

  10. 24)
    big dan said on 7/25/2006 @ 4:30pm PT: [Permalink]

    If we had a wish, we’d wish there was TV news like Democracy NOW! and the INN Report…well, wishes came true, just change your habits away from corporate news… If you don’t have DISH, get it just for 9410 LINK-TV & 9415 FSTV…it’s worth it, and not only that, it’s cheaper than cable to boot!!! I have not seen any cable have LINK-TV and FSTV, our local cable Adelphia is too busy making up for the family of owners who bilked billions from Adelphia cable, I would think they WOULDN’T want LINK-TV or FSTV on their cable…

  11. 25)
    Dredd said on 7/25/2006 @ 4:48pm PT: [Permalink]

    Agent99 #23

    I am going thru a process to determine whether or not I can still sail the gulf of alaska in an 85 foot wood boat made in 1932 (did it once during February 1971), or whether or not I can live 65 miles from the nearest town of 1,200 population … did that in 1973 …

    If only I could stop laughing at the images which crop up in my mind during this process … well … basically I am deciding where I want to die. Back then it was where do I want to live.

    “Catch a ride to the end of the highway … where the neon turns to wood … come along come along if you’re goin … better get while the gettin is good …”

    “Old angel … young angel … feel alright … on a warm San Franciscan nite” …

  12. 27)
    Agent99 said on 7/25/2006 @ 5:12pm PT: [Permalink]

    Dredd

    Satellite uplinks. Take me with you. I dream of a genius old bachelor in the north of Scotland, but that far from town in Alaska, alone in a cabin, could work. Or New Zealand with MMIIXX, or Newfoundland with Peg. Someplace cool and clean, where positive manifestation of intent is not impossible. Where, indeed, do we want to die, and do we want to go down having left something worthy behind?

  13. 29)
    big dan said on 7/25/2006 @ 5:25pm PT: [Permalink]

    So, Dredd….you’re telling us you’re an old fart??? 1971? I’d say you’re in your 50’s. Well, if you made a boat in 1932, probably at age 20, let’s see…hmmmmmm….that would make you around 90 years old! (just kidding!)

  14. 31)
    Agent99 said on 7/25/2006 @ 5:32pm PT: [Permalink]

    Big Dan #28

    Are you a young fart?

    Lily Tomlin, in character as Ernestine, on Laugh In, a very old tv show. Ernestine was a very officious telephone operator who said these things.

    I graduated high school in 1971.

  15. 32)
    big dan said on 7/25/2006 @ 5:33pm PT: [Permalink]

    Dredd, I believe you lead off, for the first time, telling some personal things about ourselves. I think that’s great. Maybe we can all share just a little bit about ourselves. WITHOUT GOING OVERBOARD! Don’t open up tooo much, like, “I never told anyone, but I killed someone 5 years ago”.

    I’m a computer programmer, I’ve been golfing since I was 12 years old and am a scratch golfer, although I probably can’t beat Tiger Woods, live in Pa., married for 20+ years, 2 kids just started college in Boston and Philadelphia…oh, and I killed someone 5 years ago (just kidding)…

  16. 33)
    big dan said on 7/25/2006 @ 5:36pm PT: [Permalink]

    …and I play guitar, was in a band, and was obsessed with the Beatles since age 4, and my favorite food is clams.

  17. 35)
    Dredd said on 7/25/2006 @ 6:09pm PT: [Permalink]

    This proves that very few folk have read my posts over the years … I have told all.

    Wow … I underestimated you my lovelies … 🙂

  18. 37)
    Peg C said on 7/25/2006 @ 6:54pm PT: [Permalink]

    Oh dear. I do believe that, with the exception of RLM, I’m the senior member here. I graduated from high school in *1964*! Yikes!!

    Sounds good, Dredd. How many does your boat sleep? But maybe you could sail it to Newfoundland instead? Plenty of people here do (and vice versa. Probably couldn’t take us to New Zealand to hobnob with Miixx.

    Actually, some years ago I purchased seventy acres of woodland here in coastal Maine. That might make a good bolt-hole, with excellent southern exposure for solar, plenty of water and so forth. With a satellite dish, we could even have broadband. Escape!!!

    Oh yes, thanks so much, WP! 🙂

  19. 39)
    Agent99 said on 7/25/2006 @ 7:38pm PT: [Permalink]

    Winter Patriot is such a slacker! This site is freezing to death!

    I’m still worrying about Chris Hooten. He may be broiling to death. I’m hoping he’s just too busy to post, and not passed out from heat stroke on the ground. 🙁

  20. 40)
    GWN said on 7/25/2006 @ 7:39pm PT: [Permalink]

    Does anyone ever hear from Torqued. We got you, Winter Patriot, back , wouldn’t it be nice to see Torqued pop in.

    Looks like there is quite a geographical spread on here but not so much in age.

  21. 41)
    Winter Patriot said on 7/25/2006 @ 7:48pm PT: [Permalink]

    I may have heard from Torqued more recently than any of the other regulars: he was fed up with politics and blogging and ready to devote himself full-bore to … can you guess?

    no, really, try to guess!

    In the meantime, I have to say I doubt we are all roughly the same age. For instance, I may claim to have been reading history for decades, but in fact I am only seven years old! So that shoots that particular theory! 😉

    really!

    oh come on! would I dare to pull your collective legs?

    well of course I would

    remember “Whatever happened to Torqued?”

    Did you guess what he’s doing now?

    OK Listen. this is your last chance.

    Don’t scroll any further until you guess.

    Did you say “auto racing”?

    if not, why not? 😉

    Who else but a racer would call himself “Torqued”?

    To the best of my knowledge he is spending all his spare time going as fast as possible and turning left whenever necessary.

  22. 42)
    Bluebear2 said on 7/25/2006 @ 7:48pm PT: [Permalink]

    Well it looks like I’m the average of Peg C and Agent99.
    High school class of ’67 here.

    Big Dan

    I prefer June Bugs, they’re kind of crunchy but have a sweet taste plus they don’t bite back like those big Pine Beetles.

  23. 43)
    Bluebear2 said on 7/25/2006 @ 7:52pm PT: [Permalink]

    Good for Torqued – left is the only way to turn!

    (Except in San Francisco along Market Street where you need to take 3 rights to turn left!)

  24. 44)
    Peg C said on 7/25/2006 @ 8:04pm PT: [Permalink]

    I was under the impression that torqued custom painted and raced speed boats. Did he switch over?

  25. 47)
    Winter Patriot said on 7/25/2006 @ 8:10pm PT: [Permalink]

    Actually, Peg, now that you mention it, he might never have specified, and I might have assumed more than I should have … one of the great mysteries of life: does Torqued go fast and turn left on land or sea?

  26. 48)
    Peg C said on 7/25/2006 @ 8:12pm PT: [Permalink]

    Perhaps it was another member of the old crew. Anyway, I miss people when they disappear! But you can’t blame anyone for burning out in this climate of acute distress (or in this climate, period). Those who do stick around, thanks from the bottom of my heart!
    🙂

  27. 50)
    Peg C said on 7/25/2006 @ 8:22pm PT: [Permalink]

    Now I remember…it was Supersoling who painted race boats. Torqued never did let on what he did. Lovely, helpful guy, though. And Supersoling sort of migrated over to Booman Tribune.

  28. 51)
    Bluebear2 said on 7/25/2006 @ 8:23pm PT: [Permalink]

    As long as we are talking about old friends – any body know where Kira has gone to?

    She was so helpful to me when I first came around – taught me how to make links etc. Haven’t seen her around since some time ago when she made a very brief appearance.

  29. 52)
    Peg C said on 7/25/2006 @ 8:32pm PT: [Permalink]

    Kira and Cheryl have both vanished. Enen Brad was asking me whether I’d heard from Kira. Nope. *sigh*

  30. 53)
    Peg C said on 7/25/2006 @ 8:35pm PT: [Permalink]

    Well, it’s off to bed for me. Good night, all, and think good thoughts about a brighter tomorrow!

  31. 54)
    Winter Patriot said on 7/25/2006 @ 8:41pm PT: [Permalink]

    The last thing I remember about Kira was a comment from JPentz saying that Kira was in a self-imposed blogging moratorium, and that she was doing all right. But that’s all I know. I’ve tried to contact her via email but to no avail. So maybe it’s a net-moratorium. In any case, best wishes to Kira, linkmeistress extraordinaire!

  32. 60)
    czaragorn said on 7/26/2006 @ 3:41am PT: [Permalink]

    Wow! Go to sleep and whattaya know? A new OT, OTs encouraged! Chiming in for the class of 63 here – how many grandchildren do we collectively have? I’m good for two! BTW, the reflector plates don’t have to be parabolic – little flat ones will do just great, provided they’re all focused from different nearby locations on the same obnoxious moran… Dredd, let me know if you’ll need any help shivering yer timbers!

  33. 61)
    big dan said on 7/26/2006 @ 6:21am PT: [Permalink]

    Agent99: I am 44 years old, have an 18 year old daughter, and a 19 year old son. Married 23 years, to the same woman (that’s wierd, isn’t it?). I didn’t check all the responses yet above, since posting. I am a “middle age” fart(?).

  34. 62)
    big dan said on 7/26/2006 @ 6:22am PT: [Permalink]

    When I was little, I remember Lilly Tomlin of Laugh-In, and “Get Smart” was my favorite show, “AGENT99″…

    “…MISSED IT BY THAT MUCH…”

  35. 63)
    Dredd said on 7/26/2006 @ 6:44am PT: [Permalink]

    Class of ’66, two grandchildren. I have made surfboards, was a pro-surfer, worked on Alaska Pipeline, fisherman on Kodiak fishingboat, worked at canneries, worked in government, did some lawclerking, legal investigations, was general contractor (houses, small commercial), software developer, and lately beer drinking and oil painting.

    Busy for about 60 yrs (b. 1947). Gonna start over now 8) …

  36. 64)
    Agent99 said on 7/26/2006 @ 6:48am PT: [Permalink]

    Well, Big Dan, I’m 53, which I think qualifies me as an apprentice codger (though I hear 60 is the new middle age) eligible for AARP, no kids, one lunatic secret agent (86) who meets me in the cone of silence every so often, and have not been to bed ALL night. Ready to drop. But I wanna save the world with all you guys. Peg and I are working on a time machine… go back and tweak a few historical travesties, see if we can’t make this mess evaporate. We’re getting a good crowd of Advanced Tin Foil Hat Wearers together to burn the Constitution onto the side of the White House so it stops being “just a goddam piece of paper.” By jove, this stuff could work… or, am I already dreaming on my feet? Good “night”. See you soon. 😉

  37. 65)
    Agent99 said on 7/26/2006 @ 6:52am PT: [Permalink]

    Dredd! Surfing! Rad! That’s, like, so radically gnarly, dude! I bet you still dress like a surfer too. 🙂 Now I’m putting my machine to sleep so it will let me do the same….

  38. 66)
    Dredd said on 7/26/2006 @ 6:57am PT: [Permalink]

    Peg C

    That is great you have nature about you. I remember that area. While a young pro-surfer I was paid to travel up and down the east coast (free car, credit card, free gas) and surf.

    I remember York Beach … neat place! Kinda like Oregon.

    I have been looking at sailboats in Florida. They are at bargain prices cause the hurricanes have cripled a lot of them. Good buys … just fix a mast, put a biodiesel in it, and the song “sailing” by christopher comes to mind.

  39. 67)
    Bluebear2 said on 7/26/2006 @ 8:03am PT: [Permalink]

    I can see (smell) it now – Dredd puttin’ through the doldrums to the smell of French American Fries!

  40. 68)
    Bluebear2 said on 7/26/2006 @ 8:07am PT: [Permalink]

    Agent99

    If you haven’t already, you will soon start getting weekly invites from the AARP!

    Oh, and burial plans, life insurance plans, retirement homes, …..

  41. 69)
    big dan said on 7/26/2006 @ 8:13am PT: [Permalink]

    Well, I don’t think I’ve done anything as adventurous as Dredd sailing in a wooden boat off Alaska! How long has the Brad Blog existed, anyone know? I’m guessing I started going on it when Brad first started the Clint Curtis articles. How long before that was it here?

  42. 70)
    big dan said on 7/26/2006 @ 8:44am PT: [Permalink]

    http://www.orwellrollsinhisgrave.com/

    Free Speech TV played “Orwell Rolls In His Grave” last night. It was one of the best reports I ever saw. FSTV is MORE than just the real news with Democracy NOW!, INN Report, and Liberty News… It’s 24×7, and they play things like the above, “Bush’s Brain”, “Outfoxed”, etc…

    24×7

    You won’t change your channel!!!!!!!!!!! Spread the word!!!!!!!!!

  43. 76)
    big dan said on 7/26/2006 @ 10:39am PT: [Permalink]

    BB2: So, Jan 2004.

    Question: If the Arabs are, as the MSM and GOP tells us, backwards terrorists living in caves, are they on the other hand enlightened enough to accept a black woman, Condaleeza Rice, as the negotiator? Which is it? Are they backwards or enlightened? How can they be backwards on the one hand, but enlightened enough to think a black woman is equal to them for negotiations? Or does this further inflame them???

  44. 77)
    Peg C said on 7/26/2006 @ 11:21am PT: [Permalink]

    Dredd

    York Beach – that’s not the Maine I live in! We’re WAY downeaster than that! But when you get and repair that boat, sail on up…we’d love to meet a real, bona fide surfer dude! 😉

    BB2

    “Time portal” is a tad inaccurate. It’s more a total interconnectedness sort of thingy. And no, we haven’t managed it yet. But our heads are hummin’! Stay tuned. 🙂

  45. 79)
    Bluebear2 said on 7/26/2006 @ 12:41pm PT: [Permalink]

    Stepped back through the portal – It’s gone now!

    (After finding that link for Big Dan I noticed the “Previous” command – thought that was strange – 1999 blog with reference to 2006 News.)

  46. 82)
    Bluebear2 said on 7/26/2006 @ 1:15pm PT: [Permalink]

    Big Dan #76

    Now that is a conundrum for sure!

    Does she have a burkah and sandals, or did she wear a short skirt and those Italian shoes?

  47. 83)
    Bluebear2 said on 7/26/2006 @ 1:20pm PT: [Permalink]

    For Grizzly Bear Dancer:

    National Park Service director resigns

    “Fran Mainella headed the agency for six years and most recently oversaw a controversial rewrite of management policies for the parks under its care. Mainella is leaving her position to devote more time to her family, according to a Park Service release.”

    Hmmmm where have we heard this “devote more time to family” before?

  48. 85)
    Shannon Williford said on 7/26/2006 @ 1:36pm PT: [Permalink]

    OK, here I come. I’m a regular Bradblog reader and occassional poster. I come exclusively to Bradblog for my electile disfunction news (as the various links cover most everything…) – thanks to first hearing about it (and meeting Brad) here in TN in 4/05 at the National Election Reform Conference. Very involved with the group, founded by Bernie Ellis, that is on the ground fighting in middle TN.
    Hi school class of ’74 in MS. College and adulthood in LA. Entertainer. Owned Singing Telegram company for 7 years in Louisiana and Alabama. Taught drama and English in tiny LA high school for 7 years. Now in TN as pro musician; not country star; only working dog harmonica player/vocalist/writer/guitarist/percussionist/actor/educator/fool. Google my name if you wanna know more of my career. Married with 3 kids, oldest 19, youngest 12.
    Trying to save our country for them. Thanks to all y’all for doing the same.

    shw

  49. 87)
    MMIIXX said on 7/26/2006 @ 2:05pm PT: [Permalink]

    Dear friends,

    Many of us recognize the importance of the Internet as the new battleground for Israel’s image. It’s time to do it better, and coordinate our on-line efforts on behalf of Israel. An Israeli software company have developed a free, safe and useful tool for us – the Internet Megaphone.

    Please go to giyus.org, download the Megaphone, and you will receive daily updates with instant links to important internet polls, problematic articles that require a talk back, etc.

    We need 100,000 Megaphone users to make a difference. So, please distribute this mail to all Israel’s supporters.

    Do it now. For Israel.

    Amir Gissin

    Director Public Affairs (Hasbara) Department
    Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Jerusalem

    From:
    http://mparent7777.livejournal.com/10638822.html

  50. 88)
    Bluebear2 said on 7/26/2006 @ 2:37pm PT: [Permalink]

    MMIIXX #87

    Your lack of qoutation marks or follow-up comment leaves one with the impression you are promoting this.
    From your other posts I do not believe that to be the case.

  51. 89)
    oldturk said on 7/26/2006 @ 2:53pm PT: [Permalink]

    BIG DAN – Comment # 78

    The Democracy Now – Italian documentary of which you speak,.. the full video link to “American experimental weapons being use in Iraq” is posted here on another thread. The scariest part is these experimental microwave and laser weapon systems will be tested in Iraq and then used in the USA to quell political demonstrations here at home,.. as crowd control/disable/negate. Like Mexico election demonstrations here in the USA – ZAP – POOF the demonstrators have been neutralized. Lock the protesters up in the concentration camps before they regain consciousness.

    https://bradblog.com/?p=3124#comment-92545

    ##########################

    bu$$h poll numbers heading down again,…. Link

  52. 90)
    Agent99 said on 7/26/2006 @ 3:33pm PT: [Permalink]

    BB2 and MMIIXX

    Yes, #87 was a quote, so I edited it just a hair to make that look more evident.

    Wonder if we could get that megaphone software to put out the word about election fraud…. Maybe tools for obnoxious things could be used in not-obnoxious ways?

  53. 91)
    Bluebear2 said on 7/26/2006 @ 4:13pm PT: [Permalink]

    Agent99

    I downloaded the megaphone to test it for a virus – AVG Anti-virus didn’t find any thing, but I also did not install it – just hit the delete key!

  54. 92)
    oldturk said on 7/26/2006 @ 4:17pm PT: [Permalink]

    A-99

    Come October our only recourse maybe to become real obnoxious,.. put that idea on the shelf,.. but in real easy arms reach. Just in case.

  55. 95)
    oldturk said on 7/26/2006 @ 4:40pm PT: [Permalink]

    Some good news too.

    Pro-labor,.. anti-poverty,..

    Chicago okays the working wage. Walmart threatens to
    pull anchor and move their operation to Saturn or
    Venus.

    Link

  56. 96)
    big dan said on 7/26/2006 @ 4:57pm PT: [Permalink]

    CNN’s top headlines today
    ————————–
    – Iranians volunteer to fight Israel
    – Killer mom Yates was insane, jury finds | Video
    – Lou Dobbs: Why is the president ignoring our laws?
    – Face to face with an alleged serial killer
    – Dad says pit bull foiled son’s kidnapping
    – Heads of state evacuated from blazing palace
    – City sets up wages battle with Wal-Mart
    – Prime suspect in NYC’s infuriating blackout
    – SI.com: NASCAR legend fighting lung cancer
    – Americans getting too fat for X-rays, scans
    – ‘N Sync star Lance Bass: I’m gay
    – Forgotten well holds treasure trove
    – Brangelina baby’s a real doll at media circus
    – 8 Israeli soldiers killed in southern Lebanon
    – Israeli soldiers report heavy Hezbollah casualties
    – Israeli bombs level 10-story building in Tyre
    – Sources: Precision-guided bomb killed U.N. troops

    Democracy NOW! ‘s top headlines today:
    ————————————–
    – Israel Kills 4 UN Observers; Annan: Strike “Deliberate”
    – 12 Lebanese Die in Latest Israeli Strikes
    – 24 Hezbollah Fighters, 12 Israeli Soldiers Die in Clashes
    – Israel To Occupy Parts of Southern Lebanon
    – Israeli Peace Activists Protest Israeli Attack
    – Palestinians Protest Rice Visit
    – Bush Dismisses Ceasefire Calls
    – Bush Announces More US Troops for Baghdad
    – Judges Dismisses One of Several AT&T Spying Suits
    – Senate Approves Controversial Abortion Bill
    – American Bar Association: President Bush is “Undermining Rule of Law” By Ignoring Laws Passed by Congress
    – Kofi Annan Says Israel’s Fatal Attack on UN Force in Lebanon was “Apparently Deliberate”;
    – Longtime UN Official Says Israel Knew Site Was UN Base
    – Mustafa Barghouti Calls for Ceasefire With Israel
    – Rep. Dennis Kucinich Introduces House Resolution
    Calling for Immediate Ceasefire in Lebanon

    I’m not even posting ABC, NBC, CBS, and Fox is not news. But, ABC, NBC, CBS have descended into “joke status” as far as news…

  57. 97)
    big dan said on 7/26/2006 @ 5:00pm PT: [Permalink]

    Psssst: MSM…please don’t tell us that a congressman, Dennis Kucinich, is introducing a resolution for a ceasefire. “killer mom yates” is much, much more important…

    See? What they don’t tell you, you don’t know about. Watch Democracy NOW! news… How ya gonna know about it, if they don’t tell you??????????

  58. 99)
    big dan said on 7/26/2006 @ 5:09pm PT: [Permalink]

    I failed to mention, Amy Goodman actually had ON the head of the ABA, Kucinich (when was the last time he was on TV news?), Barghouti, a UN witness official…not just reporting stories, they get the guys on, that the networks won’t cover…

    Interview with UN witness who assures us the Israeli attack on the UN observers was deliberate…they also have on an Israeli representative denying it and asking for an apology from Koffi Annan…

    http://www.democracynow.org/art...6/07/26/147212

    Ban watching ANBCBSNNXX…corporate controlled news…

  59. 102)
    MMIIXX said on 7/26/2006 @ 6:01pm PT: [Permalink]

    BB2

    “Your lack of qoutation marks or follow-up comment leaves one with the impression you are promoting this.
    From your other posts I do not believe that to be the case.”

    Sorry ,me thick.(and sick with flu)

  60. 104)
    Winter Patriot said on 7/26/2006 @ 7:07pm PT: [Permalink]

    Yes, 99, oldturk linked to it earlier today and your cold friend has already threatened to blog about it … so maybe people would like to read it now and be ready to discuss it later … sometime!

    And hello again all: there’s a lot going on behind the scenes this evening and we hope to be able to turn on a siren or two sometime before we hit the hay, so please stay tuned if you can bear it.

  61. 106)
    Agent99 said on 7/26/2006 @ 7:14pm PT: [Permalink]

    Oh, cripes. I hate it when that happens! Every time I put in my two cents before I’ve caught up on the threads, I find out I’m a day late and a dollar short. I guess I’ll just have to take refuge in the maxim that great minds think alike!!!!! 😛

  62. 109)
    Peg C said on 7/26/2006 @ 7:19pm PT: [Permalink]

    Oh dear WP #104 –

    It’s gettin’ LATE here. And I’m too old to pull all-nighters as I used to! 🙁

    Could you maybe rig that alarm to go off on audio as well as video so I won’t sleep through it?

  63. 111)
    Winter Patriot said on 7/26/2006 @ 7:27pm PT: [Permalink]

    please don’t push it, Peg! get your beauty rest! It can’t really be all that important, or we’d have the sirens going already… Just remember to stop by in the morning, and see whether we’ve managed to break any eggs in the nighttime, ok? Sleep tight, Peg!

  64. 112)
    Peg C said on 7/26/2006 @ 7:39pm PT: [Permalink]

    Well, WP, the days of “beauty rests” are long gone, I’m afraid; but I’ll think about crashing pretty soon. Since BradBlog is my home page, I certainly won’t forget to check in whenever. Thanks for your concern.
    😉

  65. 114)
    oldturk said on 7/26/2006 @ 8:40pm PT: [Permalink]

    COMMENT #98
    … Bluebear2 said on 7/26/2006 @ 5:06 pm PT…

    Old Turk –

    A little dated, but still makes the point about Walmart!

    **************************

    About my comment # 95,…

    What that just happened this afternoon,..

    Do I have to intercept the satellite signal before it
    reaches the ground ? The store of Chicago passes
    working wage was only 2 1/2 hours old. Gee,.. isn’t
    he fussy about his media delivery service. A nano-second old and he calls it fish wrap.((smiley face))

    http://www.commondreams.org/news2006/0726-01.htm

    http://releases.usnewswire.com/...e.asp?id=69859

    ************************

    Funny video about Walmart,.. hope it is new to you.

    http://jibjab.com/JokeBox/JokeB...px?movieid=122

  66. 115)
    Bluebear2 said on 7/26/2006 @ 8:47pm PT: [Permalink]

    MMIIXX

    A get well from me too!

    Took forever to get in here tonight, but now that I’m in it seems normal. (As normal as an open thread around here anyway!)

  67. 116)
    Bluebear2 said on 7/26/2006 @ 8:57pm PT: [Permalink]

    oldturk #114

    Ooooo – misinterpretation my friend LOL 😉 The “dated” refrence was to the link I posted there under “Walmart”

    Takes you to the article “Wal-Mart’s Magic Numbers” from 2004 regarding the wages they pay versus the corporate bonuses and dividends. (You have to scroll down when the link comes up)

  68. 120)
    oldturk said on 7/26/2006 @ 10:08pm PT: [Permalink]

    BB-2

    Walmart’s Magic Numbers

    Yes I enjoyed that,.. thank you for the share,.. I
    put it in my archive file for future reference.

    ======================

    BB-2,.. too

    You got me all wound up,..

    I jumped in my vehicle,.. and drove down the road

    a few miles. I threw two cinder blocks and five bricks

    thru the plate glass windows at the local Walmart. I

    just got home, THX I feel better now.

  69. 121)
    Winter Patriot said on 7/26/2006 @ 10:14pm PT: [Permalink]

    OldTurk #120 I know you’re kidding about the bricks and cinder blocks but the clueless software that reads us probably doesn’t. So that kind of joke can be dangerous. Let’s make it clear that you were kidding, ok?

  70. 123)
    Arry said on 7/26/2006 @ 10:40pm PT: [Permalink]

    Thanks, guys. Maybe I’m a “warm” kinda guy, but I like a little personal touch. We’re not a bunch of disembodied logos and brands out there in cyberspace.

    I usually avoid these open threads, not because I’m not interested but because they are more conversational than the other threads and my slow modem is a real hindrance to rapid give and take. (Peg seems to manage, though.)

    FWIW, I was born in Glendale, California; lived in Chino when it was farm country, but mainly I grew up in the mountains of Colorado right on the edge of forest service, so I spent most of my free time out in the forest. Built myself a telescope and observatory and lost myself in the clear night skies of Colorado. Thought I would be an astronomer by profession, but it has turned out to be an avocation.

    Moved to Redwood City, California; graduated from Sequoia High in 1968. Spent much of my free time in San Francisco in its heady days. Listened to the Dead live long before there were such things as deadheads. (I try to tell this to younger people, but nobody gives a damn, so to hell with it.) Practically had my ears blown out (but survived) famous loud dumb band Blue Cheer. The rest is kinda hard to remember…

    Moved up to Humboldt County; graduated from Humboldt State in 1972. Lived near Arcata and some other places in Humboldt County for years with a time out to get further education at the University of Oregon in Eugene. Was very politicized at Humboldt (1968-1972). Environment and pro-democracy politics. The themes of my life really came to a focus in Humboldt. (I don’t know quite know how to put the effect of the redwoods without sounding mystical, but people who really spend time in a redwood forest are never the same – the redwoods are with them forever and give them a center and weight and emerald/earth glow and life that never leaves them. It is something to always return to in spirit.)

    Good night. Long day and I’m mixing up my BB presence with other themes and goin’ on like crazy, but, what the heck, I’m neither shy nor care about occasionally appearing (or actually being) a fool (as many BB’ers have undoubtedly perceived!)

  71. 125)
    oldturk said on 7/27/2006 @ 1:12am PT: [Permalink]

    Oh yes yes,.. affimative,..

    That most previous,..

    OLDTURK Comment # 120

    Was all in jest,.. I was writing a skit for a local
    community theater play….

    Relax Mr. Negroponte,.. you can put away the handcuffs,.. besides that big gray box store is made with architectural concrete block,.. they deem it
    financially preferable not to install plate glass windows due to increased labor costs. The man-hours,
    labor costs and the price of the squeegee to keep the windows clean would cause a negative impact to the bottom-line of the net yearly income for that location.

    WP – is that a sufficient disclaimer ?
    Or should I ramble on additionally,.. so as not to send the NSA into code red panic alert.

  72. 126)
    oldturk said on 7/27/2006 @ 1:34am PT: [Permalink]

    Arry – Comment # 123

    Nice commentary.

    ==========================

    An incredible mix
    of individuals who visit upon this blog. JUST EXHILARATING

  73. 128)
    Arry said on 7/27/2006 @ 9:47am PT: [Permalink]

    #124 – Agent99 — This year? I hope. I have a few commitments down here, but I am determined to return to the north coast. I’m tired of breathing ozone coming from Sacramento (bad air bakes on its way up the hill) and want to breathe some good coast air and live among the redwoods again!

  74. 129)
    Peg C said on 7/27/2006 @ 9:59am PT: [Permalink]

    Arry #123 –

    Wonderful comments! Redwoods might be so physically overwhelming that their psychological effects are more pervasive than other natural exposures. But I can tell you, that “groove” can be entered anywhere – with a nuthatch landing on your hand, for instance. 😉

    My connection is as slow as they come, but I have a little trick – keeping a game (Solitaire or Cribbage) on the task bar for loading hiatuses and refusing to get impatient. I need this community. 🙂

  75. 130)
    oldturk said on 7/27/2006 @ 1:03pm PT: [Permalink]

    This blog,…

    it is the glues and adhesives of sanity,..

    BRAD,..

    Thank You for the rights of visitation !

    The pause that permits us to re-freshen.

  76. 131)
    big dan said on 7/27/2006 @ 2:40pm PT: [Permalink]

    There is an article on Raw Story, that we had plans to attack Iran in 2003. And I am sure that because of vigilance in reporting by sites like Wayne Madsen and newspapers like American Free Press publicizing it, it didn’t happen. There wasn’t this much vigilance on 9/11 as there is now. That is the big lesson we learned. Sadly, it’s vigilance we need to have against our own government!!! I think we should always try to predict what the neo-cons or psyops will try to do next, and it may stop them and save lives. I mentioned that the Americans being evacuated from Lebanon were ripe pickings for a mini “Pearl Harbor”…as Bush’s cabinet would say (the former PNAC…now Bush’s cabinet). Ever notice, if you steal the presidential election, you get to “pick” the cabinet??? We don’t get to vote for Bush’s cabinet. THAT is why the presidential election is the most important to steal. And we don’t vote for Supreme Court judges.

    The Dems supposedly are the “opposition” party, but confirm Roberts & Alito, vote with the Republicans on war, side with the Israeli’s, and don’t speak out against vote fraud on e-vote machines. I still can’t explain that, unless like they say, we’re becoming a one-party country. The “lesser of 2 evils”??? I don’t want that, either… Now I hear…Schumer and some other Dems may back the Bolton nomination?

  77. 132)
    Bluebear2 said on 7/27/2006 @ 5:00pm PT: [Permalink]

    Arry

    I give a damn! Big Deadhead here –
    The origin of Bluebear2: Just signed up for our very first internet service years ago and needed a screen name. Looked around the room, asked my wife if she could think of one. Everything we came up with just didn’t work, then voila! Sitting on top of the monitor was a Grateful Dead Beanie Bear – bet you’ll never guess – it was blue!

    After several attempts at names that were taken, it ended up as Bluebear2. I kind of took it over when I first started blogging – which by the way was right here at Bradblog.

    Since then and through several different ISPs we have managed to keep something close to that.

    If I had a way to send that ozone somewhere else, such as up to the troposphere where it would do some good, be sure that I would!

  78. 133)
    Agent99 said on 7/27/2006 @ 6:38pm PT: [Permalink]

    Did I mention that I hassled my way through making a diary on DailyKOS to spread the Bobby Kennedy interview to more people? Well, I sure did face the beast to get this done, and it whizzed by like a comet!

    Does it help if people start networking it? If so, please pass this along. Bobby Kennedy deserves to be a hit. If I could take my words out and just leave his, I would, but I can’t, and BELIEVE ME, I’m not looking to get famous on KOS. Too “metropolitan” over there for me to think straight.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2.../26/6442/97477

    Thank you.

  79. 134)
    Peg C said on 7/27/2006 @ 7:01pm PT: [Permalink]

    99

    Try Booman Tribune. It’s Kos without the intolerance.

    ANOTHER THREAD!!! Hoo hoo… ! This is taking TWO GAMES to load!

  80. 135)
    Bluebear2 said on 7/27/2006 @ 7:20pm PT: [Permalink]

    Agent99

    Went to say hi to ya at Kos – couldn’t figure out how to leave a comment.

    Also your “Agent 99’s diary” link redirects to Kos home page even though the address at your link seems correct. 🙁

  81. 136)
    Arry said on 7/27/2006 @ 7:22pm PT: [Permalink]

    That’s great, Bluebear. Naturally, I always wondered where the name came from.

    Pisses me off to be living in a society where you can’t breathe the air (except in a few places) with any hope that it is not aging your lungs prematurely. Hello? Priorities here?

    After we overthrow the oil oligarchy…

  82. 138)
    Agent99 said on 7/27/2006 @ 7:26pm PT: [Permalink]

    BB2

    It goes straight to my diary and does not redirect when I hit the link here? Maybe you have to be registered there to read diaries? I’m clueless. It’s the exact interview as here, but it’s under my diary paragraphs. I know you have to be logged-in to comment, but I don’t know if you have to be to read diaries…….

  83. 139)
    Laura said on 7/27/2006 @ 7:29pm PT: [Permalink]

    Heads Up……..Clint Curtis is going to be on Mike Malloy’s show at 11.00 pm central time.

  84. 141)
    Agent99 said on 7/27/2006 @ 11:24pm PT: [Permalink]

    Ah, Big Tent Democrat did a guest post at TalkLeft that suggests a reason why people like Boxer and Clinton have been stumping for Lieberman.

    Maybe they cut a deal with him, that if they came in and campaigned hard for him, he would not run as an Independent when he loses to Lamont! I don’t know about you, but I feel much better! I don’t really recommend the rest of the post, but that one point perked me up. I may be able to vote for Boxer again, on this account.

  85. 143)
    czaragorn said on 7/28/2006 @ 4:50am PT: [Permalink]

    Hooray for Deadheads! I just knew there had to be some around here. In 1965 I dropped out of college to “find myself” and suddenly found myself wearing olive drab. Fortunately, the army, in its inscrutable wisdom, sent me to Monterey for a year and a half to learn Russian, right across town from the fairgrounds (Monterey Pop) and just down the pike from San Francisco. Talk about salad days! Add in camping at Big Sur… But as Peg C correctly implies, we really have to look wihin for that “groove.” I second that huge “Thank you, Brad!” for giving all us kindred spirits such a nice green and yellow oasis for recharging our batteries.

  86. 145)
    Arry said on 7/28/2006 @ 9:34am PT: [Permalink]

    Peg #129 — I’m kinda getting into a 26,400 bps rhythm now. I’m reading while loading. I’m reading John Dean’s “Worse Than Watergate”. Almost finished it yesterday while doing my internet research and blog thing.

    Looking into so-called “high-speed dialup” (NetZero) to see if there is anything to it.

    About nature — Yes, the redwoods have a huge presence in my soul, but there are certain delicate creeks and meadows in Colorado (and their inhabitants) that are sunny personal refuges and that are substance of the moral foundation of my life.

    By nature, I think, I’m not a depressive type of person. I love living life in all circumstances, but what blind and compulsive people and corporate machines of greed are doing to the earth often drives me to despair. I can renew strength in those refuges of the soul, but the places of the soul will fade away in everyone as the physical reality is destroyed.

    We must build a rational, sensual, sustainable society now or we will lose everything that gives life meaning on a human scale. Democracy, love and preservation of the earth, rationality, sensuality, sustainability — They are all what it is to be human. Is there any sense in – wouldn’t it be entirely absurd – to aspire to anything else?

  87. 146)
    Arry said on 7/28/2006 @ 10:53am PT: [Permalink]

    Let’s hear it for Deadheads! I remember being carried away into delicious realms in those early GD concerts in San Francisco. Creativity was in the air. (Whatever else psychedelia was, it was a true creative inspiration – music, prose, poetry, art, community, lifestyle…) There were other bands that had really unique and exciting sounds that were probably never recorded and that I can’t even remember the names of.

    Being political in embryo form even then, I also had a taste for Country Joe and the Fish (and they did some great psychedelic tunes, too.)

  88. 147)
    Peg C said on 7/28/2006 @ 11:28am PT: [Permalink]

    Arry #145 –

    That’s all there is, isn’t it, friend? The earth, our home, and a place in which to work and contemplate what it means to be human?

    I’m in a state of almost-suspended animation these days, always “pending,” trying not to despair. The world seems to have turned upside down, and people appear to be standing for all that represents destruction, annihilation, instead of celebrating CREATION.

    Life cannot bear this state of affairs very long…

  89. 148)
    Arry said on 7/28/2006 @ 11:31am PT: [Permalink]

    As usual, one thought is leading to another. I have a theory that the corporatization of the world and the logic of concentrated capital leading to commodification of individuals has been a fact of life for centuries. What we see as particular creative episodes – Romanticism, popular revolution, beat life and art, psychedelic and “hippie” culture — are successive, often not entirely conscious, acknowlegements and prophetic visions that the earth will be killed by compulsive, oppressive, strangulation — and people in those movements are really prophets in their own ways and keepers of life.

    Unfortunately, they are usually not fully conscious of what they are doing, so the movements are gradually engulfed by the agents of oppression and death – which then move into a greater level of control.

    Sad, but we can learn from history and consider those who saw through the false surface of “economic progress” to be our brothers and sisters in vision, and we can realize, if we see the big picture, that there is an element of seeing that has never left (but is always under threat of being buried).

    We can be part of the forces of life but with a larger perspective than our forebears.

    (Thinking about my old life got me thinking about this again. I once argued the point with Tom Hayden when he visited Humboldt State – probably in 1969. He probably doesn’t remember anything about it, but it reminds me that I’ve been in this groove for a long time!)

  90. 149)
    Peg C said on 7/28/2006 @ 7:18pm PT: [Permalink]

    Arry

    I’ve been here my entire life! Of course, I had the ideal family by which to be nurtured in this: both parents biologists, ecologists and natural philosophers. But in spite of my generational identity with the ’60’s movements you mentioned, I was a very “straight” young woman – a ‘cellist and “egghead.”

    But I have this intuitive side too, and its becoming more urgently insistent. We need to reach another evolutionary plateau – this one spiritual – and SOON!

    Brad’s blog provides us with a sort of “cohesion node,” don’t you think? 🙂

  91. 150)
    Arry said on 7/28/2006 @ 8:30pm PT: [Permalink]

    Yes, Peg, I certainly agree that Brad Blog is a “cohesion node”. Beyond, and including, the information we get and the ideas for action, it is important as a “place” for those wonderful souls who would bring us out of the death culture we are currently immersed in. (I’m not being melodramatic in calling it a death culture – I am convinced that is what it is.)

    There is a culture of life that has always existed alongside the aggressive, oppressive, narrow death culture. Sometimes, that life culture has surfaced and has been very visible; often it is practically buried. I think it is the responsibility of those who would take culture in the direction of life to study and identify with the historical and cultural threads of life/earth/health even though they often appear marginal, conditional, strange, and sometimes abortive due to their “alternative” relationship with “commercial” culture. (Tom Hayden and I were specifically focusing on Shelley. Tom thought he was too far wrong and could be generally discarded. I thought you don’t discard a brother and great lover of freedom because his understanding was not complete or had a misunderstanding of certain aspects of society.)

    This can go on forever and there are so many paths to explore, but I should mention that the “egghead” side is not counter-counter culture, as I’m sure you are aware. Those who are destroying the earth are irrational in the extreme with almost all their actions based in an absurd and childish faith.

    I’m glad you have your family background. I’m sure it helps sustain you. Some of my family history helps get me up in the morning, too. One of my ancestors ran a station on the underground railroad – his house was very important in the cause. Another, my great-grandfather was a radical Midwestern agricultural populist and newspaper editor. In some ways, I feel I’m carrying on their work. My dad was a cop – a good cop – in L.A. County – “L.A. Confidential” kind of stuff. He risked a lot to protest the treatment of Hispanics which was awful. When the heat got just too much and, frankly, his family may have been at risk, we packed it all up and moved to the mountains of Colorado. Justice was king in our household, and my commitment to justice is pretty much absolute. My hippie days do nothing to negate my upbringing and my anti-war, anti-election fraud work are all of a piece with it.

    Agree with you, Peg…this is it. We need to reach that plateau..And we need each other’s help because it’s the combined energy, insight, and love that will do it. We have to ignore the atomized, neurotic life that our commercialized culture insists upon.

  92. 151)
    Arry said on 7/28/2006 @ 9:04pm PT: [Permalink]

    Gotta mention this, then I swear I’ll quit going on about myself and get back to business.

    How did we end up in Colorado? I may have inherited a little hippie weirdness, too.

    It was a very hot day in southern California, so we had our little portable air conditioner on. My dad said we have to move, where shall we go? Nobody knew for sure, so he said we’ll let chance decide. He took some small slips of paper and wrote the names of various states on them — Oregon (I remember), Colorado, Idaho, and so on. He put all the slips in front of the air conditioner and let them fly off into the room. As Colorado turned up more than the other states (out of ten tries, or something like that), that’s where we went. Nothing like plotting and triangulation in my family!

  93. 152)
    Bluebear2 said on 7/28/2006 @ 10:26pm PT: [Permalink]

    Arry

    Your family’s move to Colorado reminds me of how I eneded up in Sacramento.
    The Kohler Co, where I worked in Wisconsin, pulled a fast one and built engines and generators on speculation to build up its inventory prior to a new union contract with higher wages.
    They worked us 7 days a week – 10 hour shifts – for about 2 months then dropped to 32 hr weeks with 2,000 laid off and then a month later laid off the rest of the egine and generator crew. 3,500 in all.
    There were no jobs to be had so several friends and I packed a Ford Falcon van to the bursting point and headed out across the country to find somewhere else to live. The only destination we had was to attend my sister’s wedding in San Francisco two months later.
    Over those two months we hit every state west of the great plains except Texas and put 6,500 miles on the van.
    Arriving on the coast we were about broke, my cousin in Sac. took me in and I found a job after about a month.
    Shotly after that I got my own apartment and have been here ever since.
    The high point of the trip was hiking through the Grand Canyon from the South Rim to the North Rim with my girlfriend of the time – perhaps the most memorable point in my life. We were caught in a storm and barely made it to the North Rim where we found ourselves in a raging blizzard and actually talked about how we were going to die. We could find no signs of buildings or shelter, and the others who were to pick us up were nowhere to be found.
    After about an hour a snowplow came into sight and our friends were behind him. The only reason the plow came in was that he had pulled them out of the ditch and they told him we were coming out there.
    My friends that came with me have since dispersed across the country and contact has been lost.

  94. 154)
    Arry said on 7/29/2006 @ 8:02am PT: [Permalink]

    Bluebear — Needless to say, there are many Brad Bloggers who are also very grateful for that snowplow.

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