Should NBC’s David Gregory Be Charged With a Crime for Being a Lousy Journalist?

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Yes. Me too.

That said, given this “Catch Me If You Can” international chase, this may be one (very brief) moment, in which I can (for now) forgive the mainstream corporate media for their breathless worldwide, man-of-mystery manhunt coverage. Snowden’s Run is, after all, just one helluva good thriller story.

The New York TimesDavid Carr described it this way: “[A]s Edward J. Snowden made his way across the globe with a disintegrating passport and newly emerged allies, Twitter was there, serving up a new kind of chase coverage, with breathless updates from hovering digital observers speculating about the fleeing leaker’s next move. All day Sunday, it was like watching a spy movie unfold in pixels, except it was all very real and no one knows how it ends.”

What is impossible to forgive, however, is another sideline distraction to the substance of Edward Snowden’s disclosures that happened on Sunday, though it’s a disturbingly important one that needs more light amidst the other, thrilling, if less important distractions. This part of the story came via the national embarrassment otherwise known as NBC’s Meet the Press with David Gregory, when the titular host suggested that Guardian journalist Glenn Greenwald, who helped break many of the Snowden disclosures, had “aided and abetted” the former NSA contractor, and should, therefore, be “charged with a crime” himself.

Gregory’s friendly help to the U.S. Government’s surging War on Journalism was echoed again today, by yet another supposed journalist, when Andrew Ross Sorkin, a financial columnist for the national embarrassment otherwise known as the New York Times, offered (also on live television) that he would “almost arrest” Greenwald in addition to Snowden…

Here’s the exchange between Gregory and Greenwald on MTP yesterday…

“To the extent that you have aided and abetted Snowden, even in his current movements,” Gregory said, loading the deck, out-loud, on live network television, “why shouldn’t you, Mr. Greenwald, be charged with a crime?”

“I think it’s pretty extraordinary that anybody who would call themselves a journalist would publicly muse about whether or not other journalists should be charged with felonies,” responded Greenwald. “The assumption in your question, David, is completely without evidence — the idea that I’ve ‘aided and abetted’ him in any way.”

Greenwald continued: “The scandal that arose in Washington before our stories began was about the fact that the Obama Administration is trying to criminalize investigative journalism by going through the email and phone records of the AP reporters, accusing a Fox News journalist of the theory that you just embraced, being a co-conspirator in felonies for working with sources.”

“If you want to embrace that theory,” Greenwald concluded, “it means that every investigative journalist in the United States who works with their sources, who receives classified information is a criminal. And it’s precisely those theories, and it’s precisely that climate that has become so menacing in the United States.”

Carr, in his column today, echoed Greenwald’s response to Gregory:

If you add up the pulling of news organization phone records (The Associated Press), the tracking of individual reporters (Fox News), and the effort by the current administration to go after sources (seven instances and counting in which a government official has been criminally charged with leaking classified information to the news media), suggesting that there is a war on the press is less hyperbole than simple math.

Before Sunday’s Meet the Press was even off air, Greenwald took to Twitter to comment on Gregory’s irresponsible “musings” again:

Then, of course, Sorkin, a CNBC anchor and NYT financial columnist, thought it wise to continue such “musings” about charging his fellow journalist Greenwald with crimes for reporting on things.

“I would arrest [Snowden] and now I’d almost arrest Glenn Greenwald,” Sorkin squawked on CNBC’s Squawk Box this morning…

Greenwald, after hearing about yet another journalist calling for the arrest of a fellow journalist, asked Sorkin this sharp question about his fellow NYT colleagues via Twitter:

Before Meet the Press was over, Gregory read Greenwald’s critical tweet on air, and then offered this “only asking questions” response in his own defense:

[T]his is the problem from somebody who claims that he’s a journalist, who would object to a journalist raising questions, which is not actually embracing any particular point of view. And that’s part of the tactics of the debate here when, in fact, lawmakers have questioned him. There’s a question about his role in this, The Guardian’s role in all of this. It is actually part of the debate, rather than going after the questioner, he could take on the issues. And he had an opportunity to do that here on Meet the Press.

There are loads of problems with that response, but I’ll focus on just one or two for now. “Rather than going after the questioner, he could take on the issues,” charged Gregory. Well, that’s interesting. Rather than going after the messenger/journalist, Gregory could have taken on the issues of the substance of Snowden’s disclosures. Instead, he chose to create a faux “how long have you been beating your wife?” premise for his question, as Washington Post’s Eric Wemple noted.

“To the extent that you have murdered your neighbor,” Wemple mused in response, “why shouldn’t you, Mr. Greenwald, be charged with a crime?”

Greenwald echoed that response with HuffPo media critic Michael Calderone today: “It’s like saying, to the extent that you molested children, should you be arrested as a pedophile? … It assumes that I’ve done something that he has no evidence to suggest I’ve actually done. It’s an accusatory question. It’s not just a question; it’s an accusation.”

To use Gregory’s own defense against him, using the sort of irresponsibly loaded language that he did, is a “problem from somebody who claims that he’s a journalist.”

But Gregory says he is just asking questions. Okay. Here’s a question I suppose I could just “ask” about Gregory: “To the extent that you work for a company which aids and abets war crimes, should you be put to death?”

There is, of course, “debate” about whether General Electric — which owned NBC until very recently — aids and abets war criminals through their various, enormous military contracts. War crimes can be punishable by death. Would it be appropriate for me to ask, in a public forum, (even on a tiny blog, much less the NBC network) whether Gregory should be killed?

If not, why not? I’m just asking questions, after all.

The answer, of course, is no. That would be completely irresponsible for me, or any other journalist to do, even given the far larger body of evidence that exists to support the charge of “crimes” by GE versus those by Greenwald (which, I should note for clarity, amounts to zero.) It would be completely irresponsible for me to phrase such a question that way, even if Gregory was here to offer his answer in response. Merely poisoning the atmosphere, as a journalist, with such unfounded accusations, spurious connections, and deadly suggestions, particularly in this atmosphere, is something that would be inappropriate for me to do.

It is something that Gregory, who has worked inside the D.C. bubble for a very long time, knows better than to do himself. Or, at least, he should.

And, of course, he does know better. But it depends on who he is talking about, and whether or not its someone considered to be in his club, unlike that rabble-rousing outsider Greenwald. Note that neither Gregory, nor the Wall Street advocacy journalist Sorkin called for the Washington Post’s longtime investigative journalist Barton Gellman to be arrested or charged with any crimes. They did not suggest Gellman “aided and abetted” someone who has been charged with felony espionage crimes. Why not? Gellman broke the story of the NSA’s super-secret PRISM program — arguably the most noteworthy of Snowden’s disclosures to date — on the very same day that Greenwald did so at the Guardian (with several other Guardian journalists.) And yet, Gellman, a long time D.C. insider at the in-the-club Washington Post, seems to get a free pass from his fellow insiders like Gregory and Sorkin, something that Gellman himself has noted, taking on both Gregory and Sorkin via Twitter today.

“I see no difference between Greenwald’s Snowden-derived journalism and Gellman’s Snowden-derived journalism,” longtime NYU journalism professor Jay Rosen observes today. “David Gregory didn’t present any evidence for such a difference. In fact he said nothing about Gellman and the Post ‘aiding and abetting.'”

“At some level, I feel like it’s Christmas and I’ve been given the greatest, best gift that I could wish for,” Greenwald told HuffPost’s Calderone today. “My critique of the D.C. media has long been that instead of being adversaries to government power — to the government and political power — they’re servants to it and mouthpieces for it.”

This entire story reminds me again that Greenwald’s critique was true enough ten years ago when the lack of an adversarial press corps resulted in tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands, of deaths in a decade long war in Iraq, thanks to official government allegations which went unchallenged despite being demonstrably false, and known to be such, even at the time. Even now, just months after an extraordinary brief round of hand-wringing and navel-gazing by the media — including those at NBC — over the 10 year anniversary of the Iraq War lies, huge swaths of the very same establishment media seem not to have learned a thing. In fact, arguably, they are getting even worse by the day, now even turning on their own in blatant disregard for the very clear First Amendment provisions for the press found in the U.S. Constitution.

“Politicians would like to conflate the actions of reporters and their sources, but the law draws a very clear and bright line between the two in an effort to protect speech and enable transparency,” Carr writes. “Mr. Greenwald may have a point of view and his approach to journalism is through the prism of activism, but he functioned as a journalist and deserves the protections that go with the job.”

In one twisted sense, we’re lucky, week in and week out, to have David Gregory on air to remind us of just how bad this whole pack has truly become. If it’s Sunday, it’s very likely another massive failure by David Gregory and the pro-government, pro-political power establishment media on Meet the Press…and beyond…

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CORRECTION: Comcast purchased General Electric’s minority stake in NBC in March of this year, several years ahead of schedule, after they had already purchased a 51% majority share from G.E. several years earlier. I had originally referred in the article above to G.E. as once “a majority owner and…now a minority owner of NBC”. Thanks to Owen Thomas on Twitter for noting my error, which has been corrected above.

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15 Comments on “Should NBC’s David Gregory Be Charged With a Crime for Being a Lousy Journalist?

  1. So when is Gregory going to be treated like Phil Donahue was in the lead up to the war beginnings 10 years ago? He has shown his stripes to be a conservative, so like Donahue, there should be two liberals for every Conservative on Meet the Press from now on (because Gregory balances the equation).

  2. It’s a damn shame there are so few Glenn Greenwalds and Brad Friedmans, while there seem to be so many David Gregorys. It’s also a crying shame Brad can’t get his excellent work read by a wider audience.

  3. Alex: This has nothing to do with Gregory being conservative or a liberal. It has to do with the fact that Gregory has no clue as to the core purpose of journalism and the reason why it is protected by the First Amendment.

  4. Excellent piece Brad. Unbelievable that a journalist would even entertain the thought of arresting a fellow scribe for doing what he’s supposed to do.

  5. David Gregory thinks that a journalist is someone approved by Big Brother to report on Big Brother.

    Gregory is a Jerk.

  6. #1 Alex

    I have noticed some of the same things you mentioned. During the bush years , it was psuedo ok to have all republicans on news shows all the time. You could rationalize. but when the WH, House and Senate were all democratic. .it was still the same. Rare to see Howard Dean on a news program and he was usually interrupted repeatedly if he was on. Yet McCain, who was an also run for president was on every Sun.morning.And did not get interrupted.. boring boring.

    But more and more people are going to the internet and alternative news. WE as americans cannot abide boring.

    Great post Brad!Ed Snowden story is truly better than any spy thriller WE could read. Did you notice the timing of the first Ed Snowden release of information? Just as our news was gearing up for the Chinese President to visit the US, Obama was going to reprimand him for hacking..Just as Obama went to Ireland for the G whatever , the news came out that WE were hacking foreign countries. Thriller material.

    May Ed Snowden be safe .

  7. I’d like to charge Chuck Todd as a co-conspirator in journalistic douchebaggery.

  8. Thank you Molly #7 for getting my point that regardless of affiliation that the Sunday shows were limiting the guests to insiders and excluding other points of view (in that way it is conservative Ernest #4), not allowing different ways of thinking.
    Gregory like Russert held the insider line. Donahue, who worked for the same corporate bosses, and was wllling to bring in other voices and ideas was hamstrung by those corporate paranoid mental pygmies.
    Greenwald is an easy foil for the media corporate/Washington insiders, because he’s brash, outspoken, points out faults of both sides of the spectrum and is not affiliated with a Washington insider media source. Notice how the journalist from the Washington Post who revealed the Prism project has not received the scrutiny and ridiculous (hypocritical) commentary that Greenwald has. While “journalists” like Gregory act more like middle school cheerleaders who are more interested in preserving their control over their domain then in doing their job.
    What’s amazing to me is that Gregory is finally directly challenged on the “journalistic” point that Colbert and Stewart have been ridiculing them about for over a decade. Some people will not get the point until they are clubbed over the head.

  9. Though he wasn’t referring to the Sunday shows specifically, but the media in general
    Gregory (as well as the rest of the Sunday talk shows) is one of leading prevayors of “Truthinews”.
    Instead of it being what people in the nation want to hear, it is what people inside the Washington Beltway want to hear.
    They keep saying the same “truthiness” over and over again until everyone agrees with them (instead of thinking for themselves.

  10. “This has nothing to do with Gregory being conservative or a liberal. It has to do with the fact that Gregory has no clue as to the core purpose of journalism and the reason why it is protected by the First Amendment.”

    It’s really not a binary either-or proposition, though. Gregory is both a corporatist propagandist and a fake journalist with no clue about real journalism or the Constitution. I thought everyone knew this already.

  11. We all knew it was fake journalism (if you had been paying attention to anyone outside the beltway, but it took Glen Grenwald to tell it to his face after “truthinews” Gregory insinuated he should be indicted.

  12. LMK # 12,

    It’s really not a binary either-or proposition, though. Gregory is both a corporatist propagandist and a fake journalist with no clue about real journalism or the Constitution. I thought everyone knew this already.

    You see that many can’t grasp the notion that the military NSA collects data on them 24/7 because they have been conditioned to “think” that the military is about creating their rights.

    Likewise, it “does not compute” that mass media assets of other military organs are constantly mocking America by pumping out propaganda 24/7.

  13. David Gregory should be charged with the firearms felony that he committed on national television.

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