{"id":14767,"date":"2023-08-24T18:32:15","date_gmt":"2023-08-25T01:32:15","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/bradblog.com\/?p=14767"},"modified":"2023-08-24T20:13:47","modified_gmt":"2023-08-25T03:13:47","slug":"the-elephant-not-in-the-room%e2%80%99-the-other-gop-candidates-debate-in-milwaukee-wisconsin-bradcast-8242023","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/bbnewdb.webbyspice.com\/?p=14767","title":{"rendered":"&#8216;The Elephant Not in the Room\u00e2\u20ac\u2122: The Other GOP Candidates Debate in Milwaukee, Wisconsin: &#8216;BradCast&#8217; 8\/24\/2023"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/BradBlog.com\/Images\/BradCast_GOPPrimaryDebate-Milwaukee082323-TrumpTie_082423.jpg\" hspace=\"6\" vspace=\"3\" border=\"0\" align=\"right\">On today&#8217;s <a href=\"https:\/\/BradBlog.com\/BradCast\"><i>BradCast<\/i><\/a>, it&#8217;s special coverage of the first GOP Presidential Primary debate of the 2024 campaign. It featured eight candidates, none of which were named Trump, But he was there anyway. [<i>Audio link to full show follows below this summary.<\/i>]\n<p>The <a href=\"https:\/\/apnews.com\/article\/first-republican-debate-2024-elections-gop-89812d5aa1ed6a4ebe7373ff36858250\">raucus two-hour debate<\/a> in Milwaukee, <b>Wisconsin<\/b> was sponsored by Fox &#8220;News&#8221; and held before a rowdy audience of booing and cheering Republicans who, at times, resembled a pro wrestling crowd &#8212; or a lynch mob &#8212; more than supporters of an American political party.<\/p>\n<p>The actual participants on the stage were (in order of polling popularity <i>before<\/i> the debate): Florida Gov. <b>Ron DeSantis<\/b>; 38-year old entrepreneur <b>Vivek Ramaswamy<\/b> (who, if you hadn&#8217;t heard of him before last night, you probably have now); Former Vice President <b>Mike Pence<\/b>; Former South Carolina Gov. and U.N. Ambassador <b>Nikki Haley<\/b>; Former New Jersey Gov. <b>Chris Christie<\/b>; South Carolina U.S. Senator <b>Tim Scott<\/b>; Former Arkansas Gov. <b>Asa Hutchinson<\/b>; North Dakota Gov. <b>Doug Burgum<\/b> (who, if you hadn&#8217;t heard of him before last night, you may <i>still<\/i> have no idea who he is today.)<\/p>\n<p>We&#8217;re joined today by some favorite <i>BradCast<\/i> special coverage guests to try and make sense of it all. (Which was no easy feat, frankly!) <b>HEATHER DIGBY PARTON<\/b> is a longtime, award-winning columnist at <a href=\"https:\/\/www.salon.com\/writer\/heather_digby_parton\">Salon<\/a> and founder of <a href=\"https:\/\/digbysblog.net\">Digby&#8217;s Hullabaloo<\/a> blog; <b>&#8220;DRIFTGLASS&#8221;<\/b> is otherwise known as both <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/mr_electrico\">@Mr_Electrico<\/a> on  the site formerly known as Twitter and occasional as just &#8220;Bill&#8221; back at home in &#8220;Flyover Country, Illinois&#8221; where he produces the weekly <a href=\"http:\/\/professionalleft.blogspot.com\/\"><i>Professional Left Podcast<\/i><\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>Among the questions asked, answered and\/or discussed today&#8230;<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Who and what is Vivek Ramaswamy? And why was he both the target and obnoxious star of the evening?<\/li>\n<li>What did all those red ties worn by everyone but Christie, Hutchinson and Haley actually mean?<\/li>\n<li>What happened to Great White (Non-Trump) Hope DeSantis? Why was he largely ignored? And why was he screaming?<\/li>\n<li>Holy crap! Was that a question about Climate Change on a Fox &#8216;News&#8217; sponsored debate?!<\/li>\n<li>Has Pence been underestimated after so many years in Trump&#8217;s shadow?<\/li>\n<li>Did Haley help or hurt herself in calling for a &#8220;new generation&#8221; of GOP leaders (while clearly being part of the old generation of GOP leaders)?<\/li>\n<li>Wait, they all think Pence did the right thing on January 6, 2021, but almost all of them would support Trump next year even if convicted on felony crimes?<\/li>\n<li>Have Christie and Pence figured out how to use the Constitution as a weapon against Trump?<\/li>\n<li>Remember when even Republican debates included actual policy issues?<\/li>\n<li>Who on that stage would be more likely than Trump to defeat Joe Biden next year?<\/li>\n<li>If Trump is somehow removed from contention, who becomes the party&#8217;s front-runner?<\/li>\n<li>Was Trump right or wrong to stay out of the debate?<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p>All of that and many more questions asked, answered, discussed or dodged on today&#8217;s special edition of <i>The BradCast<\/i>, as Trump heads to a jail in Atlanta to be <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cnn.com\/politics\/live-news\/trump-georgia-surrender-indictment-08-24-23\/h_563f596fb6f1b8e44d83d8aef231e255\">booked<\/a> on his fourth criminal indictment of the year and Fulton County District Attorney <b>Fani Willis<\/b> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.documentcloud.org\/documents\/23926016-request-for-oct-23-trial-date\">asks the Court [PDF]<\/a> to begin his racketeering trial just two months from now in October(!) and as the once Grand Ole Party continues its long, dangerous descent into madness.<\/p>\n<p><em>POST-SHOW UPDATE<\/em>: The judge quickly <a href=\"https:\/\/talkingpointsmemo.com\/news\/trump-and-chesebro-engage-in-early-jockeying-over-georgia-trial-date\">approved<\/a> Willis&#8217; request for an October 23 trial, but only for Trump attorney <b>Ken Chesebro<\/b> (alleged architect of the fake electors scheme), who invoked Georgia&#8217;s speedy trial law. The other defendants do not yet have a trial date. So The Cheese stands alone&#8230;<\/p>\n<blockquote><p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\".\/Images\/Speaker_Icon_24.png\" style=\"width: 24px; float: none; vertical-align: middle;\"><span style=\"font-size: 18px; line-height: 18px;\"> <b><i><a href=\"https:\/\/BradBlog.com\/audio\/BradCast_BradFriedman_HeatherDigbyParton-Driftglass-GOPPrimaryDebateMilwaukeeWI_082423.mp3\">CLICK TO LISTEN OR DOWNLOAD SHOW!&#8230;<\/a><\/i><\/b><\/span><\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p><strong><em>PROGRAMMING NOTE:<\/em><\/strong> <em>The BradCast<\/em> and <a href=\"http:\/\/GreenNews.BradBlog.com\"><i>Green News Report<\/i><\/a> are standing down until after the Labor Day Holiday! 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